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Ask HN: Employee, Partner or Co-Founder?

6 pointsby USNetizenabout 10 years ago
Someone I know has run into a little dilemma regarding &quot;status&quot; in a new company. Let&#x27;s just say that this friend started a company and brought on their first actual employee after winning a few contracts about 6 months after the company was legally formed. My friend, the founder, never took a salary since the inception of the company, instead plowing all earnings and savings into this new employee&#x27;s salary, taxes and other reimbursements to grow the business.<p>This employee eventually transitioned to working on a lower than market rate salary in exchange for equity at a later date. Now, this employee doesn&#x27;t want to be referred to as a &quot;partner&quot; in the company but rather as a &quot;co-founder&quot; because of an increase in interest and activity, though not revenue (yet), that has occurred as a result of them coming on board to handle business development (which my founder friend actually trained this person to do while paying them over several months).<p>So, to make a long story short. Would you consider this person, who drew a salary (albeit at a lower than market rate), was paid with company revenue since joining about 4-6 months after incorporation, and who has put no personal guarantees on company debt(s) but does own some equity a &quot;co-founder,&quot; &quot;partner,&quot; or simply &quot;employee?&quot;<p>If not co-founder, how does my friend get through to this person and explain why they aren&#x27;t really a &quot;co-founder&quot; without causing unnecessary tension?

8 comments

LanceHaynieabout 10 years ago
Simply being a part of a company from the start does not make you a founder, or even a partner. There are plenty of firms that pay in both salary and equity. Unless there was some form agreement, this person in my eyes is an employee.<p>What I would do in that position is sit down with the employee and explain in clear terms why they are not a founder or parter. If the owner is open to a partner, possibly offer up an agreement. However, I doubt there is any way to go over this without some tension. I would get it over with sooner rather than later, as the company grows it will only become more problematic.
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dragonwriterabout 10 years ago
&quot;Co-founder&quot; is a fuzzy title that means exactly what the people in actual positions of authority want it to mean. But usually its an explicit up-front agreement at the time a person is brought on, or one made with a real status change later (even though an after the fact &quot;co-founder&quot; seems at odds with the common understanding of the term.) The firm might want to grant the person the title of &quot;co-founder&quot; if they feel the past and ongoing contribution warrants it (and, particularly, if the value of keeping them happy is high.)<p>&quot;Partner&quot; is a legal relationship; you can only be a partner in a firm which is a partnership (not a corporation).<p>Otherwise, the person is just an employee.
benologistabout 10 years ago
It sounds like you are attributing a lot of value to several months work and a few months pay. Consider this venture over the next decade - these months are just a rounding error in the lifetime of a successful startup.<p>It matters a lot more whether this person can influence the success of the company - you describe someone who can learn and grow into additional roles, those are really good talents on top of which they have a functioning work relationship.<p>So really it comes down to whether your friend <i>wants</i> a cofounder, and secondary to that is whether this person meets the grade looking <i>forward</i> where almost all the work is yet to be done. If not then your friend needs to take that possibility off the table and explain how the employee&#x27;s future exists within their larger plans.
brudgersabout 10 years ago
The term &quot;associate&quot; is sufficiently vague and meaningless to be a perfect match for this situation. I know from experience because I was, once in another lifetime, an associate in a similar situation.<p>If the employee stays longer and acquires a bit more equity, they can become a senior associate.
rajacombinatorabout 10 years ago
Titles are cheap. If it makes him happier to be called &quot;cofounder&quot; it would be foolish to bicker over it. Explain why he&#x27;s not a cofounder, then grant him &quot;cofounder&quot; status to make the carrot explicit.
jklein11about 10 years ago
This seems like an excellent pawn to negotiate with.<p>This person identified something which they value greatly( a new title) which presumably doesn&#x27;t cost you anything.<p>Figure out what this is worth to this person, whether its a lower salary, having them put money on the line, etc and give them something that costs you very little, a new title.
notahackerabout 10 years ago
Can&#x27;t they compromise with some sort of &quot;Business Lead, Launch Stage&quot; or &quot;VP Sales&quot; type title that satisfies the early hire&#x27;s desire for recognition of their early influence without confusing potential investors into believing they hold founder-level responsibility at the company?
Spoomabout 10 years ago
Tell the person they&#x27;re an employee, because they are. That&#x27;s the position they agreed to and <i>were paid for</i>. If they don&#x27;t like it, they can leave.