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AdBlock Plus defeats German publishers in court

187 pointsby halfimmortalabout 10 years ago

22 comments

kbartabout 10 years ago
Advertisers got what they deserved -- annoying pop up windows, animated ads with sound, floating ads, also user tracking created a market for ads blocker. I don't mind non intrusive banner ads and enable them on sites I visit frequently. Make ads user friendly and the problem will be gone (except, maybe, some geeks who will still use ad blockers, but that's minority anyway). Trying to solve problems via courts and not addressing the root cause will not help much.
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germanierabout 10 years ago
Just heads up, for anyone who hasn't read the article: The publishers mainly went against AdBlock Plus not because it blocks ads (though surely a welcome side effect) but because they offer advertisers to put their ads on a whitelist for a fee.
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unicornpornabout 10 years ago
&gt; Now that the legalities are out of the way, we want to reach out to other publishers and advertisers and content creators and encourage them to work with Adblock Plus rather than against us. Let’s develop new forms of nonintrusive ads that are actually useful and welcomed by users [...]<p>This is one of the reasons I chose another adblocker (uBlock). I have no moral qualms when it comes to blocking ads, but I don&#x27;t feel too hot about this guy building a business by making other businesses pay him money to let their ads through.
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mahouseabout 10 years ago
From their own website, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;adblockplus.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;restating-the-obvious-adblocking-declared-legal" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;adblockplus.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;restating-the-obvious-adblockin...</a><p>&gt; Now that the legalities are out of the way, we want to reach out to other publishers and advertisers and content creators and encourage them to work with Adblock Plus rather than against us. Let’s develop new forms of nonintrusive ads that are actually useful and welcomed by users; let’s discover ways to make better ads; let’s push forward to create a more sustainable Internet ecosystem for everyone.<p>&gt; You know where to reach us.<p>This is not blackmailing. At all. :-)
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a3nabout 10 years ago
The news publishers are, of course, free to detect adblock or its effects, and refuse to deliver content to adblocker users.<p>Publishers and content creators say &quot;If you don&#x27;t like what you hear from someone on the TV or radio, change the channel.&quot; It&#x27;s free speech, after all.<p>Maybe it&#x27;s time for publishers and creators to live that credo, and not deliver to consumers that they don&#x27;t like.
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EpicDaviabout 10 years ago
&gt; &quot;It infringes the freedom of the press.&quot;<p>How so? Just because an article is published by the press, does not mean I am obligated to view it. The users who install AdBlock are doing so on their free will, not being forced by governmental or other propaganda groups.
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dec0dedab0deabout 10 years ago
Isn&#x27;t the simple solution to just deliver the ads from the same server as the content? If abp can&#x27;t tell the difference between an advertisement, and an image that is part of the article, then they can&#x27;t block it. Sure, it will kill a lot of the things current ad networks are doing, but good riddance.
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phkahlerabout 10 years ago
Funny - &quot;It infringes the freedom of the press.&quot; I don&#x27;t know about Germany, but in the US freedom of the press allows them to publish stuff, it does not force people to read it.
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vbezhenarabout 10 years ago
It seems like adblock got huge user base on premise to block ads and now monetizes that user base by selling them ads. Does not look like honest strategy to me. It won&#x27;t work well for them as well, competitors are already there.
mkesperabout 10 years ago
&quot;giving people the ability to control their own screens by letting them block annoying ads and protect their privacy&quot;<p>Bold statement for a company selling its own ads: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ghacks.net&#x2F;2011&#x2F;12&#x2F;12&#x2F;adblock-plus-to-allow-acceptable-ads&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ghacks.net&#x2F;2011&#x2F;12&#x2F;12&#x2F;adblock-plus-to-allow-accep...</a>
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Geeketteabout 10 years ago
Good for AdBlock Plus! Even if they lost, what&#x27;s to stop hundreds of (potentially untrackable) clones suddenly popping up to continue helping users block ads? I guess it is easier for big press to push&#x2F;bully to maintain the status quo, rather than think through a new online revenue model.
Lanceyabout 10 years ago
Of course, rather than attempt to fix poor ad practices and encourage users to disable adblockers on their sites, these publishers have decided to go after the software itself. Who can blame users for using an adblocker when it regularly blocks 20+ ads per page?
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sarciszewskiabout 10 years ago
I use AdBlock Edge, which doesn&#x27;t offer a whitelist of &quot;acceptable&quot; ads. :)
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DannyBeeabout 10 years ago
I gotta say, pay-per-whitelist seems a lot like an extortion racket to me.<p>(the rest of the arguments they make, sure, moronic, but ...)
hobarreraabout 10 years ago
The fact is, AdBlock Plus is standing in a very delicate ground. They&#x27;re not selflessly defending users from ads: they&#x27;re actually making money via their whitelist, and giving an advantage to their partners. While many will say it&#x27;s a fair business practice, we&#x27;ll still have to see how long it&#x27;s stand in court (appeals?).<p>AdBlock Edge, on the other hand, is on far firmer ground, IMHO.
RegWabout 10 years ago
I believe that everyone is entitled to make a living from what they do, and that ads support much of the creation of the content I want to read. So for sometime I only used AdBlockPlus to block particular ad venders that really got my goat with intrusive material. However, the vendors would switch domain names constantly, and it just got to be taking up to much time to keep adding each new one to the list. Now I just block them all.<p>I guess it is only a matter of time before ad blocking becomes the norm for users, and site owners will forced to bake ads into their pages. Lets hope that when they take back control, they also try push up the quality of the ads they take.
Jamie452about 10 years ago
What if it&#x27;s in a websites terms of service that adverts must be viewed to access the site - how would that work, and who would be in breach of agreement?
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balabasterabout 10 years ago
This is awesome... perhaps AdBlockPlus can work on a box that I can sit between my cable box and my TV to block the ads on that too :P
hackuserabout 10 years ago
I don&#x27;t object to the ads, I object to being tracked. If they posted ads without tracking me, I wouldn&#x27;t object.
CodeSheikhabout 10 years ago
AdBlock has become evil by introducing this &quot;whitelist&quot; thing. I wonder who seeded them in recent past...
ssivarkabout 10 years ago
The argument against AdBlock seems disingenuous, like spammers complaining about spam filters.
kazinatorabout 10 years ago
People who think they can put up a website with some content and make money purely from people visiting it and nothing else are incredibly naive. In this day and age, everyone and his dog wants you to look at their site. There is a content glut.<p>In the context of making money, a website is something which provides an enhanced service front end for an existing business which makes money in some other way. We expect every business we interact with to have some kind of web presence, even if minimally functional. (If nothing more, than at least a static page with the address and opening hours). Maintaining the site is a <i>business expense</i>.<p>Sites which don&#x27;t have a business attached, are just someone&#x27;s hobby. Complaining about AdBlock is just &quot;Waaah, you&#x27;re not paying for me for viewing the results of my hobby.&quot;<p>(What&#x27;s worse; most of the content is self-promotional, so it&#x27;s more like, &quot;Waah, you&#x27;re not paying for reading my opinions and my self-promotion.&quot;)<p>I don&#x27;t care if some website perishes because it couldn&#x27;t make money. The web would be better off if all such sites went away, leaving only the sites that provide a &quot;web presence&quot; for a real business, and the sites of those people who have something to present <i>and</i> the money to put it out there.<p>If you can&#x27;t fund a web site entirely out of your own pocket, you basically don&#x27;t belong on the web. You&#x27;re not able to put &quot;your money where your mouth is&quot;, literally.<p>There is commercially valuable content out there that people will pay for. That content proves itself to be that way because it can be put behind a &quot;pay wall&quot;, and still sustain the site. People do pay for content; look at the growing subscribership of Netflix, for instance.<p>That provides us with a good litmus test: <i>can your content be pay walled such that your site at least breaks even financially?</i> If not, then it has insufficient commercial value. If you still want people to view it, that means <i>you have an agenda</i>. Your agenda is a promotional one, and it goes something like this: &quot;this content is somehow valuable to <i>me</i>, and I want others to know it and like it.&quot; If you have such an agenda, it falls upon you to <i>fund</i> it. Ironically, just like those business whose ads you serve through your site are paying to promote <i>their</i> agenda!<p>Also, there is an irony in web advertizing is that it only generates revenue when people click on the ads. But when people click on ads, what are they doing? They are <i>navigating away</i> from the content to look at something <i>more interesting</i>. The theory is that the original site&#x27;s content &quot;brought&quot; people to the advertizement. But in fact that is not true. What actually happened is more like this: someone was searching for content, and landed on the site. The site turned out to be garbage, filled with stuff not relevant to the search. But, oh, an interesting ad caught the visitor&#x27;s eye; and so off that visitor went.<p>Hypothesis: <i>When people actually click on ads, it&#x27;s because your content is worse than garbage, so that going to the ads is a more attractive alternative. The content is just search engine bait to get people to the ad, nothing more.</i>
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