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Saying Yes

95 pointsby gracegareyabout 10 years ago

6 comments

brandonbabout 10 years ago
This is really amazing work.<p>For those of you who read about the genocide and want to understand more of the background, I highly recommend &quot;The Art of Political Murder.&quot; It starts in 1998, when a Catholic Bishop was found bludgeoned to death in his own garage two days after publishing the report that detailed the Guatemalan army&#x27;s role in the genocide. It covers a lot of the political and racial history, the efforts of the army to cover up the genocide, and the ensuing trial. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;The-Art-Political-Murder-Killed&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0802143857" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;The-Art-Political-Murder-Killed&#x2F;dp&#x2F;080...</a><p>This is still very relevant today since the dictator from the 1980&#x27;s, Rios Montt, was recently on trial for human rights abuses, and his daughter just announced that she is running for president: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.telesurtv.net&#x2F;english&#x2F;news&#x2F;Guatemalan-Ex-Dictator-Rios-Montts-Daughter-Runs-for-President-20150420-0005.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.telesurtv.net&#x2F;english&#x2F;news&#x2F;Guatemalan-Ex-Dictator...</a><p>EDIT: another good book is Popular Injustice, which is about what happens when a whole part of society loses faith in the criminal justice system and starts resorting to lynchings: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sup.org&#x2F;books&#x2F;title&#x2F;?id=10027" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sup.org&#x2F;books&#x2F;title&#x2F;?id=10027</a><p>(Disclosure: I took Professor Godoy&#x27;s classes in college and traveled to Guatemala in a study-abroad that she organized: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;faculty.washington.edu&#x2F;agodoy&#x2F;Guatemala%20study%20abroad.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;faculty.washington.edu&#x2F;agodoy&#x2F;Guatemala%20study%20abr...</a>)
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harperleeabout 10 years ago
This is a bit off-topic, but I&#x27;m not happy about the simplistic and demagogic message of throwing a line separating indians and spanish and just stating that &quot;The fighting started 500 years ago&quot; and that &quot;the arrival of Spanish colonists marked the beginning of a dark history&quot;. Oh really? Before Columbus they were all happy people in Eden? And all rulers have been oppresor spaniards for the last 500 years?<p>These are poor people, and there&#x27;s not one only factor that keeps them poor. The reason for inequality is not based only on racism. It is not a clash of races. It&#x27;s a little more subtle.<p>And further: it does not matter! You don&#x27;t need to make this kind of points to raise awareness. Focusing on specific people, as they do immediately afterwards, is much more effective.<p>That said: this is great!
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blacksmith_tbabout 10 years ago
I&#x27;m happy to be donating to Watsi, but I think this post? press release? is a bit frustrating. Showing us lots of happy Guatemalans is really a distraction from the basic message. It&#x27;s a little like advertising which doesn&#x27;t show the product being sold (I suppose you could argue that the people are the &#x27;product&#x27; for Watsi). But maybe I&#x27;m unusually resistant to aspirational marketing...
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gavinpcabout 10 years ago
Completely OT from this beautiful piece, but this is my first time noticing a web site using images with a &quot;click to see <i>smaller</i> version&quot; feature.
MichaelGGabout 10 years ago
I&#x27;ve been in Guatemala off and on for over 17 years[0]. My parents came down later and started a free medical clinic.<p>Healthcare for &quot;Indians&quot; here is often terrible[1]. There&#x27;s tons of discrimination, and &quot;indian&quot; is often used as an insult (&quot;que indio!&quot;). There&#x27;s a feedback loop, because the people distrust hospitals and thus go less since &quot;people die there&quot;.<p>It&#x27;s further compounded by local villager beliefs. My mom has several stories of kids dying, literally because their parents insisted on having a priest do something first, delaying critical care by hours. Or not treating things and losing a leg or more because of a simple cut. Stuff that we might take as basic, obvious things, are simply not.<p>Oh, and medicine compliance is extra difficult when the patients can&#x27;t read and have relatives telling the patient that medicine is an evil trick.<p>Even giving out birth control faces opposition. Apparently a lot of the men think if their wife doesn&#x27;t get pregnant every so often, she must be seeing another man on the side. Often women desperately don&#x27;t want to have more kids, but &quot;must&quot;. (And mix in a high infant mortality rate, and sometimes women won&#x27;t even name the child for a while after birth to avoid attachment. Pretty fucked up.)<p>I&#x27;m alternately amazed and repulsed regarding the people that work and try to fix this. It&#x27;s an unending stream of fucked-up-ness. My parents&#x27; clinic sees 50-70 people a day (3 days a week), and that&#x27;s just from 3 small villages. Sure, it&#x27;s great that they save people and no doubt that&#x27;s what motivates them. But I step back and look at the overall horror and the constant onslaught -- it seems so hopeless without real large scale efforts. (Which really, probably translate to having another country come in and run things.) I just don&#x27;t know how people deal with this - I certainly cannot face it.<p>Finally, keep in mind that overall, Guatemala is a rather messed up country with too much violence and incompetence. Healthcare is just one aspect. When there&#x27;s essentially zero police response, things tend to go downhill quickly. Anyone can get away with anything, so long they aren&#x27;t stopped in the act. (Hence every place, down to McDonalds, has &quot;guards&quot; with shotguns.)<p>0: I visited when I was 15 and realised I could drink all I wanted without being carded and it was cheap, so I dropped out and moved down. Ended up staying a bit too long.<p>1: Well healthcare in Guatemala is pretty shitty overall, even if you&#x27;re paying and trying to find decent doctors. Bad education or just straight-out fraud (insisting on unnecessary surgeries, for the money). Some things, if done in the US or proper countries, would be viewed as outright criminal, beyond negligence.
markdownabout 10 years ago
Totally OT, but is that a Tencent logo above the phone booth in one of the first few pics?<p>As in China&#x27;s Tencent? All the way in Guatamala?
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