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Ask HN: How much are full stack developers worth?

14 pointsby x0ryalmost 10 years ago
15+ years writing software, web, and database code. Am I doing OK with 80k&#x2F;year + basic benefits living in TN? The Robert Half report reads 140k but my employer is denying it. I made it to the last round of Triplebyte but didnt&#x27; make the 1st cut. I&#x27;m currently replacing an application a well known company has vested millions in. Should I be asking for more? I&#x27;m just not sure how many solutions need to be built before I draw a line in the sand. My skill sets include C#, Javascript, PowerShell, AngularJS, ASP.NET, HTML, CSS, MS-SQL 2008, IIS, Linux, Apache, mySQL, PHP, etc.<p>EDIT: Loving the feedback, thank you all! For clarification, the market is Cool Springs&#x2F;Brentwood area about 10-20 minutes outside of Nashville.

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hkarthikalmost 10 years ago
Absolute numbers really mean nothing in determining if you are being paid what you are worth. Just like in real estate, location is everything.<p>The best metric is to determine the high water mark for being considered &quot;well paid&quot; given the cost of living where you live, and then adjusting your expectations around that.<p>Software developers in most US metros are usually paid well above the median income in their area. If you aren&#x27;t making that much, you have two options:<p>1) Move to a different area where average developers salaries exceed median income levels.<p>2) Work remotely for a company in such areas, where even a discounted salary for their market puts you above the median where you currently live.<p>My take on the salary that you&#x27;ve stated is that it feels low if it&#x27;s in Nashville or Chattanooga, but it might be high if you&#x27;re living in Johnson City. This is totally subjective based on TN developers that I&#x27;ve worked with in the past.
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fskalmost 10 years ago
Question #1:<p>Do you like your current job? If it&#x27;s a nice environment, you might regret finding another job where you get paid 30% more but it&#x27;s a lot more unpleasant.<p>Even if you interview and get a good vibe, bad things can happen. Your boss can quit or be fired 3 months after you start (happened to me). Your actual boss might not be who you thought it was when you were interviewing (also happened to me). But the same bad things could also happen in your current job.<p>Assuming the answer to #1 is &quot;meh&quot; or &quot;sort of&quot; or &quot;I want to leave&quot;:<p>Question #2: Are you able to interview and get an offer for more somewhere else?<p>If you can&#x27;t get more somewhere else, then you aren&#x27;t underpaid.<p>If you can get more somewhere else, and you think it&#x27;s time to move on, then go.<p>Also, don&#x27;t compare TN salaries to California or NY or Boston salaries. As other people said, you need to adjust for cost of living.<p>Also, if you do get an offer you want to take, go, don&#x27;t take a counter-offer. If your employer wants to pay you more, then they should do it now.
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gooalmost 10 years ago
You could make more -- how much you make depends on what the market will bear, and the more sales savvy you have, the higher price you&#x27;ll get for your product (you!).<p>The only way to know how much more you could make is to find out -- salary markets vary substantially between regions, so a developer making 140k in the bay area may struggle to find a job paying more than 80k in TN.<p>Salaries are a result of a negotiation with the organization at hand, and one of the key elements to a successful negotiation is to be both providing more value than you cost to that organization, and to have the ability to walk away from the table. Your best alternative, which gives you that power, is the most important element of a negotiation. Read up on BATNA: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Best_alternative_to_a_negotiated_agreement" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Best_alternative_to_a_negotiate...</a><p>Also keep _their_ BATNA in mind -- if they don&#x27;t have anyone who can replace you, and it&#x27;s making a bunch of money, then they have a poor position to negotiate from, and you can get more from them.
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waltercliffordalmost 10 years ago
&gt; 15+ years writing software, web, and database code. Am I doing OK with 80k&#x2F;year<p>That&#x27;s about what I was making with less than two years experience at an extremely small non-profit with a very limited budget as their full stack developer - so yeah I think it&#x27;s safe to say you should&#x2F;could be getting more.<p>[N.B. this is in Boston which probably has a higher cost of living &#x2F; average wage...but still nuts someone with your background&#x2F;experience is making what I was at the non-profit]
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alain94040almost 10 years ago
Take a look at AngelList&#x27;s job listings, they have the benefit of showing a range that is representative of the first tier of tech jobs.<p>For Nashville, I only one job (Android dev) with range 50-90k. But for Chattanooga, I see several jobs that range 60-100k.<p>With 15 years of experience, you should be able to qualify for the high-end of those ranges. Based on this data, it appears that 80k is not hugely underpaid. You could make a bit more.
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vogtalmost 10 years ago
While all of the points being made here about cost of living in TN versus the Bay Area etc are accurate, 80 is still a low salary for the area for your experience and skillset. Taking your post at face value, anyway.<p>In Texas, which is pretty comparable to Tennessee COL wise, you would likely fetch around 110-120, if not more.
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nphytealmost 10 years ago
On a completely different note. Could you share your TripleByte experience here? Thanks
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