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Illusion of mind (2008)

12 pointsby vasuadarialmost 10 years ago

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tjradcliffealmost 10 years ago
So I assume this is demonstrating someone&#x27;s gibberish generator, like: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.elsewhere.org&#x2F;pomo&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.elsewhere.org&#x2F;pomo&#x2F;</a><p>Even if it isn&#x27;t, I wish people would stop saying things like this:<p>&quot;I have a theory of phenomenon X that shows it has a cause different from what was previously believed. Therefore X is JUST AN ILLUSION!!!!&quot;<p>The word &quot;illusion&quot; is as tricky to deal with properly as the world &quot;reality&quot; because as Barbie might say: &quot;Ontology is hard.&quot;<p>&quot;Illusion&quot; is used in two distinct senses:<p>1) when a phenomenon has a cause that is different from what is naively assumed, the naively assumed <i>cause</i> is said to be &quot;an illusion&quot;. Thus, the &quot;bend in the stick that passes through the water&#x27;s surface&quot; is said to be an illusion because while the bend is perfectly real, it is in the light, not the stick<p>2) &quot;illusion&quot; is also used to mean simply &quot;not real&quot; or &quot;non-existent&quot; in an absolute sense, as in, &quot;The illusion of safety the TSA gives us.&quot;<p>We muddy our language (and therefore our thinking) when we conflate causes and phenomena. The mind is both a cause (we refer to &quot;the mind&quot; to explain things) and a phenomenon (we all experience our own minds and most of us who aren&#x27;t psychopaths have reasonably effective predictive models of other people&#x27;s minds.)<p>So when someone says &quot;the mind is an illusion&quot; what can they possibly mean? Obviously it&#x27;s nonsense to say the phenomenology of the mind is not real: that would be like saying we see the stick in the water as straight, when we manifestly don&#x27;t. So presumably they mean there is a cause that gives rise to the bend in our perceptions that is different from what we naively think it is. In that case, saying &quot;An alternative causal account of the mind&quot; would be vastly clearer.<p>&quot;X is an illusion&quot; is a formulation that is good for one thing only: identifying charlatans and nutjobs. For that, it is very effective.
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Elracalmost 10 years ago
An unpublished work of Deepak Chopra??