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The Bad News About the News

60 pointsby jonathansizzalmost 10 years ago

12 comments

msandfordalmost 10 years ago
From the article: &quot;Craigslist has destroyed that business (classifieds) for the Post and every major paper in the country.&quot;<p>Any and all of those local papers could have done their own online classifieds. They could have charged for the ad and both printed it and put it online so it was searchable. They could have charged for one or the other or both. They could have all collaborated and syndicated their individual classifieds into one big database too.<p>But they did none of this. They fundamentally didn&#x27;t understand their own businesses in the face of change. And their businesses are failing as a result.<p>It&#x27;s sad of course. And it&#x27;s probably not good for society in the short term. But it&#x27;s hard for me to get too worked up about it; it&#x27;s not as though they didn&#x27;t have HUGE advantages versus craigslist. They just didn&#x27;t take it seriously and it ate their lunch.
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habituealmost 10 years ago
Ok, so a lot of people are nit-picking this essay by attacking the weaker points (whether the gate-keeper role is one we want centralized, whether news media was truly unbiased etc).<p>The much stronger central point that needs to be answered is &quot;Where will in-depth investigative journalism get funding to continue?&quot; Yes, in-depth investigative journalism is not all that traditional media does&#x2F;did. Yes, some of what investigative journalism does can be taken over by better data-mining and cheaper methods these days.<p>But there remains, after all that, a certain amount that cannot be done by bloggers and data mining. That&#x27;s the central question posed by this essay that needs answering, and it&#x27;s obvious there isn&#x27;t a good answer right now. That doesn&#x27;t mean saving traditional media is the best way to solve this problem, but it does mean this aspect of traditional media needs a viable replacement we don&#x27;t have yet.
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toygalmost 10 years ago
<i>&quot;News as we know it is at risk. So is democratic governance, which depends on an effective watchdog news media.&quot;</i><p>Post-Iraq (and in the days of government-backed Snowden-smearing) that&#x27;s a <i>problematic</i> statement. If the statement is true, democratic governance is already dead (since news media clearly do not see themselves as watchdogs anymore, nor do they act like they were). If the statement is false and democratic governance is still present, then it clearly does not depend on &quot;news as we know it&quot;.
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SovietDissidentalmost 10 years ago
<i>&quot;Editors and producers pursued stories that interested them, without much concern for how readers or viewers might react to the journalism that resulted. Members of this tribe of journalists shared a sense of what “the news” was. The most influential of them were the editors and reporters on the best newspapers, whose decisions were systematically embraced and echoed by other editors and writers, as well as by the producers of television news. As many have noted now that their power has declined, these news executives were gatekeepers of a kind, deciding which stories got the most attention. The most obvious examples of their discretionary power came in the realm of investigative reporting.&quot;</i><p>Should I really bemoan the loss of a system in which a handful of individuals picked the news which was deemed worthy of publication or air-time?
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dmfdmfalmost 10 years ago
This is a long winded version of Clay Shirky&#x27;s article from 2009 &quot;Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable&quot;. Shirky&#x27;s site is down so here is an alternative link; <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;edge.org&#x2F;conversation&#x2F;newspapers-and-thinking-the-unthinkable" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;edge.org&#x2F;conversation&#x2F;newspapers-and-thinking-the-unt...</a><p>Its always good to remind ourselves that we are in the middle of the greatest social revolution since the invention of the printing press.
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SandersAKalmost 10 years ago
It&#x27;s important to distinguish the business model of publishing journalism from actual journalism.<p>The News Industry is dying. But the creation and effective dissemination of important information is thriving.
kansfacealmost 10 years ago
I feel like much of what was lost wasn&#x27;t very valuable. How many reporters do we actually need sitting in the room with the Press Secretary? If reporters just report the news and only the news, how many do we need to send to each natural disaster to get the story? If readers can (and will) read only the best report or the one that most closely aligns with their political beliefs, why bother rewriting the same story one hundred times over (every major paper)?<p>At any rate, there will always be journalism even if it is wildly unprofitable for the same reason there will always be musicians. Long form journalism is often advanced as the biggest loss - I don&#x27;t see the equivalent of t shirt sales or patronage keeping it around but I haven&#x27;t seen any numbers either. Anyone know how it is actually doing?
InclinedPlanealmost 10 years ago
Seems like the same old story in new clothing: the internet and craigslist destroyed the jobs of those poor little old honest, hardworking newspapermen.<p>This is a very sexy narrative, especially for newspapermen, but I think it&#x27;s a false one. The problem hasn&#x27;t been ad dollars, the problem was that newspapers survived largely because they were a <i>medium</i> and because they had a sort of monopoly on a communication channel that people had come to rely on.<p>The reality is that newspapers had not been doing a particularly good job for a very long time. The conceit is that the office at a newspaper is a buzz of journalistic activity. The reality is that it was mostly drudge work, just going through the motions to ensure that classified ads, lazy PR puff pieces, marmaduke cartoons, and regurgitated wire reports got churned out day to day. The kernels of quality, original reporting, investigative journalism, have typically been very tiny even at the best newspapers of the 20th century through today, and completely absent at many others. It&#x27;s foolish to believe that people didn&#x27;t notice, that the public doesn&#x27;t care because they are just a bunch of uninterested, unsophisticated louts. The news media spent decades methodically transforming themselves into a useless, valueless tabloid media caricature of themselves.<p>It&#x27;s shocking that some of the best journalism in traditional media being done today is being done by comedians. But the narrative that newspapers are dying due to no fault of their own remains firmly entrenched, and for that reason I don&#x27;t expect them to be able to claw themselves back from the abyss they&#x27;ve found themselves in.
seizethecheesealmost 10 years ago
Newspapers have never been an unbiased source of information as a public good. My dad was a newspaper journalist and tells a story of almost getting fired for a minor factual error in a story about a major advertiser. Newspapers have always been businesses primarily.
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chris_vaalmost 10 years ago
We spent a fair bit of time researching this trend at Google News (former TL), and talking to the industry. I cannot speak for the company anymore, but the major finding was:<p>&quot;The newspaper industry was not in the business of delivering the news, it was the the business of delivering ads.&quot;<p>News was their product, but they made their money by delivering ads to everyone&#x27;s doorstep on a daily basis. The subscription rates they charged consumers were insufficient to cover their costs (by a large margin). The rest of the revenue was made up in classified ads, job listings, consumer ads, etc. None of those markets were particularly efficient, and as a result the industry was highly exposed to any changes in those markets.<p>Enter the internet, and:<p>1) Craigslist probably dropped the industry revenue about $20B&#x2F;year.<p>2) Monster.com and competitors took another $10B&#x2F;year or so.<p>3) Google, Yahoo, DoubleClick, etc took another bite. Though less so, ironically, because newspapers are still considered a great vector for brand advertising, and that sort of advertising is still difficult to quantify online.<p>4) Equal access to worldwide publication means that you (the consumer) are no longer fully reliant on your local paper. You can read the best article from the best source. This has multiple consequences, good and bad for publishers. The good (well, for cost reasons, not quality reasons) is that publications can skip covering events that will be better covered by a syndication partner (like AP), or just re-hash content from the local sources. The bad news is that the local market no longer has to buy your paper, and can now find a better source online.<p>The industry also continues to make a lot of strange choices, which don&#x27;t help. For example, they make more with an extra 20% distribution on ads (publication dependent) than they do from the entirety of their subscription revenue. Given the demand elasticity for news content, one would then expect publications to drop subscription fees entirely. That they don&#x27;t is somewhat mind boggling, but the explanation I received was that &quot;distribution&quot; (printing, shipping, etc) has its own P&amp;L (for historical reasons). The other angle might be &quot;exclusivity&quot; (you value something you pay $6 more than something you get for free), but I am not enough of a brand expert to judge this argument.<p>The industry also tries to latch onto online subscriptions and micro-payments, which is maybe the stupidest thing I have seen them do from an economics standpoint. The numbers just don&#x27;t add up (the number of people willing to pay versus the opportunity cost from lost ad revenue). Even if every person on the internet paid into a newspaper subscription fund, we are still back to <i>the industry was never in the business of selling news</i>.
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jqmalmost 10 years ago
Given that national news seems little more than tired and ridiculous propaganda (for the last decade and a half at least) whatever happens to the outlets is of little concern to me.
javadronealmost 10 years ago
i wonder if this is why the news media is so hostile to the tech industry and tech workers lately...