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DuckDuckGo on CNBC: We’ve grown 600% since NSA surveillance news broke

636 pointsby wnmalmost 10 years ago

39 comments

vixsomnisalmost 10 years ago
Yes, the search results aren&#x27;t that good, but they&#x27;re good enough. A single search almost always gets what I&#x27;m looking for on the front page or the entries immediately visible, which is impressive considering how little DDG knows about me.<p>Add in the !bang feature for searching most websites (classics like !w - Wikipedia, !g - Google, and stuff like !gh - GitHub, !aur - Arch User Repository) and my favorite &quot;define X&quot; keyword that links straight to Wordnik, and my search experience is better than Google.<p>The !bangs also function as bookmarks, so if I ever want to go to GitHub, I can just search !gh and it&#x27;ll take me there. It&#x27;s like having a set of search engines stored universally, accessible from any device with web access.<p>And of course if I need Google, say for word etymologies, it&#x27;s just a !g away.
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click170almost 10 years ago
I switched my default search to DDG and haven&#x27;t thought twice about it.<p>It&#x27;s maybe once every couple days that I have to use &quot;!g&quot; to get google results, for everything else DDG works excellently. Even the times when I have to use &quot;!g&quot;, it&#x27;s often a hint that I&#x27;m searching for an unpopular phrase, and find that if I rephrase my search results I get much better results out of both search engines.<p>I remember there was a story on HN once a few months back where a kind soul from DDG posted an email address that one could submit notes to wrt highlighting poor search results so that they could address them, I don&#x27;t recall the email and haven&#x27;t been able to find it. If this is still available with DDG could someone please re-post that email here? I would very much like to help improve the quality of DDG to make it better for everyone but I can&#x27;t find anywhere to suggest improvements on their website.<p>Edit: I was able to find their Feedback page, but I much prefer email personally: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;duckduckgo.com&#x2F;feedback" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;duckduckgo.com&#x2F;feedback</a>
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simiasalmost 10 years ago
I&#x27;ve been using ddg as my main search engine for close to a year I think. It&#x27;s definitely not as good as google but it&#x27;s good enough most of the time.<p>My main concern is that it&#x27;s still a free service and I really don&#x27;t see how it&#x27;ll be sustainable in the long term without compromising privacy in their current model. If you&#x27;re not the customer you&#x27;re the product etc...<p>I&#x27;d gladly pay $10 a month for a &quot;premium&quot; search engine with strong privacy garantees. I&#x27;m definitely not going to enable ads in ddg and I can&#x27;t imagine that the average duckduckgo user thinks differently.
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VMGalmost 10 years ago
As a governmental spy organization, why wouldn&#x27;t you just put surveillance on the search engine that is used by people that have &quot;something to hide&quot; (in their mind) and also put a gag order on the operators of that service?
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finnjohnsen2almost 10 years ago
I should use DuckDuckGo, but when I need to search I&#x27;m too much in some mindset and context I can&#x27;t allow it to get broken by the poor search results DDG gives me. So my life has come to the point where I&#x27;m aware that I give all my search data to someone I know spies on me. 24&#x2F;7&#x2F;365.
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aidosalmost 10 years ago
As always, you can see the actual ddg traffic numbers on their website<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;duckduckgo.com&#x2F;traffic.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;duckduckgo.com&#x2F;traffic.html</a>
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mrweaselalmost 10 years ago
&gt;&quot;If you&#x27;re not collection user information, how are you going to make money? How are you going to become a big brand that people can trust long term?<p>I know that the interviewer has to ask at least the first part to get the interview going, but it also highlight everything that wrong in the thinking of online ads&#x2F;marketing.<p>If you need to collect user information to make money, them perhaps your product isn&#x27;t that great to begin with (unless you&#x27;re an ad company like Google, but the we get into the argument who the user is).<p>Also collection information, so you can grow to become a big brand, I would argue that you&#x27;ve thrown trust out the window a long time ago.
antrisalmost 10 years ago
DDG is based in the US, therefore it is entirely possible that they have been ordered to keep logs and track everything the users do on that site with a gag order.<p>Being based in the US is a dealbreaker for privacy.
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zawaidehalmost 10 years ago
The only thing stopping me from using DDG is the inability to limit search results by date. I want search results from a week ago, a month ago, a year ago.<p>I know they have sort by date, but this just sorts by date without taking into account how relevant the result is.
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factorialboyalmost 10 years ago
IMHO 600% is meaningless number.<p>What&#x27;s the estimate market share of DuckDuckGo today, that&#x27;s the real question.<p>Do they dominate a niche? I think they have significant market share among HackerNews users.
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joelrunyonalmost 10 years ago
This might be a random point, but I&#x27;m curious if DDG will have to change their branding to be accepted beyond the tech space into mainstream searching.<p>I feel like &quot;duck duck go&quot; is too long for the avg american to grasp or use in an ongoing convo when compared to &quot;google&quot;, &quot;bing&quot; or &quot;yahoo.&quot;<p>I can&#x27;t see people saying &quot;just duck duck go it.&quot; Maybe something like DDG or &quot;duckduck&quot;instead?<p>Maybe that&#x27;s just me...
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castellalmost 10 years ago
Does DuckDuckGo still use Yahoo BOSS search API? (based on Bing)<p>$1.80 &#x2F; 1000 queries:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.yahoo.com&#x2F;boss&#x2F;search&#x2F;#pricing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.yahoo.com&#x2F;boss&#x2F;search&#x2F;#pricing</a>
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brianzelipalmost 10 years ago
Where is DDG located?<p>I can&#x27;t watch the video, about which the text reads &quot;The news anchor just can’t resist a little jab about DuckDuckGo’s location choice&quot;.
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josefrescoalmost 10 years ago
One feature that would allow me to eventually move to DDG would be a &quot;toggle&quot; of sorts within my browser that would allow me to switch to DDG results (from Google).<p>Deciding <i>before my query</i> to use DDG is a hard habit&#x2F;practice to employ. However, when shown results from Google, if DDG results were just a click away (maybe already rendered in another &quot;tab&quot;) it would make A&#x2F;B testing easier and seemless - which would be essential to eventually moving away and changing my &quot;default&quot; search engine.<p>Just my $0.02
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akhatri_ausalmost 10 years ago
What is HN&#x27;s opinion on the quality of the search results?
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nvkalmost 10 years ago
DDG&#x27;s search results have substantially improved since a few months ago. I now use it as my primary search engine.
rurbanalmost 10 years ago
They do log the queries, as google does. You can only trust a search engine when they do stop logging.<p>Any NSL can order them to hand over the logs in certain regimes (bulk or per IP? We know what happened), but they cannot force them to write logs in the first hand. Without logging it will also be ~10% faster.
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BuckRogersalmost 10 years ago
I like having my default search being anonymous DDG. 99% of my searches I never even bother with getting another engine&#x27;s results.<p>For Google results, in the very rare case that I need to see what they have, I use &quot;searchthis !sp&quot; to get anonymous Google results from Startpage. I used SP fulltime previously but they&#x27;ve had reliability issues and an odd issue with the back button.<p>Most !bangs that I use are for !w, !a and !gm. Firefox&#x27;s dedicated search bar helps a lot with editing a long search string with another bang. Doubtful I&#x27;ll be moving off DDG due to that feature.
newscrackeralmost 10 years ago
DDG is my default on some browsers and machines, but it still lacks a lot in relevant results. I find myself using startpage.com or even Google (the latter for better image searches) very often. The lack of a date based search is a huge disadvantage since I use that very often in other engines.<p>Lately, DDG has also been quite slow for me and doesn&#x27;t load at all for several seconds. Overall, I love the privacy part, but it&#x27;s not as useful as a search engine ought to be for my usage. So I&#x27;m unable to quit the other alternatives, even though I badly want to.
bigtunacanalmost 10 years ago
I&#x27;ve used DuckDuckGo a few times wanting to make the switch, but I just end up going right back to Google. It&#x27;s just so ingrained in me at this point. I really like the idea of DuckDuckGo and should just force myself to switch.<p>Something this got me thinking though; what about other less popular search engines such as Lycos, do they ALL track usage? Or are there other search engines that are anonymized in a similar fashion to DuckDuckGo?
FrankenPCalmost 10 years ago
I love what DDG represents and I try it first just to show my support. But, if I can&#x27;t find what I&#x27;m looking for I activate VPN, open an incognito window and search with Google. Civilian OPSEC is painful. But I refuse to give up my freedom. I wish there was an application&#x2F;URL level VPN option. That would solve a lot of problems.
luckydudealmost 10 years ago
This is just a me too comment, but one of my guys told me two days ago that duckduckgo is good enough. So I switched to it and so far I&#x27;m liking the results.<p>And is it just me or is it actually faster when you click on one of the results? Whenever I do that with google it seems like there is a delay while google does some analytics or something.
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knownalmost 10 years ago
When the NSA Shows Up At Your Internet Company<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;yro.slashdot.org&#x2F;story&#x2F;13&#x2F;07&#x2F;21&#x2F;1853212&#x2F;when-the-nsa-shows-up-at-your-internet-company" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;yro.slashdot.org&#x2F;story&#x2F;13&#x2F;07&#x2F;21&#x2F;1853212&#x2F;when-the-nsa-...</a>
rodionosalmost 10 years ago
They&#x27;ll break 10M daily direct query threshold on June 22, according to Holt-Winters.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;axibase.com&#x2F;chartlab&#x2F;e8635882&#x2F;5&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;axibase.com&#x2F;chartlab&#x2F;e8635882&#x2F;5&#x2F;</a>
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tiatiaalmost 10 years ago
It has gotten faster. I somehow like DDG but finally got stuck with www.startpage.com
shmerlalmost 10 years ago
I use DDG, and it works very well most of the time, but for some obscure and very targeted searches Google still beats it by a big margin (especially since Google has time filtering and etc.). So in such cases I just add a !g :)
k2enemyalmost 10 years ago
Does anyone happen to know how to make it so that the preview of a DDG search result is not a link to the result? I often want to copy and paste something from the preview, but having it as a link makes that difficult.
chjohasbrouckalmost 10 years ago
I choose Google because cntrl+t g o &lt;enter&gt; flows better than cntrl+t d u &lt;enter&gt;.<p>Every time I&#x27;ve tried to switch to DuckDuckGo, this has been the primary stumbling point.
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blerudalmost 10 years ago
Is it possible to append all regular ddg searches with !g? I&#x27;d like to use Google for my searches but still be able to use the ddg bangs.
banealmost 10 years ago
The privacy aspects are not that important to me, I just want to get out of Google&#x27;s increasingly irrelevant search results. I tried switching to DDG a couple years ago and it was a pretty meh experience, so I went back to Google.<p>But, I tried again just a couple months ago (I went whole hog and changed the search engine in chrome to ddg) and have been very impressed with it. It&#x27;s been continuously worked on enough that it now serves about 90-95% of my daily search needs without any fuss and I actually prefer the way it presents images, semantic search and videos in search results over google&#x27;s. It does a much better job at returning results for what I&#x27;m <i>actually</i> searching for and that&#x27;s awesome.<p>For example in Google, if I search for &quot;Mad Max&quot; I get showtimes for &quot;Mad Max: Fury Road&quot; at the top and and imdb-like bit of information for &quot;Mad Max: Fury Road&quot; on the right (neither of which I searched for) and then a list of search results which these days are increasingly just links to Wikipedia&#x27;s take on whatever I&#x27;m searching for (this time for &quot;Mad Max&quot; and &quot;Mad Max (franchise)&quot;) followed by news on &quot;Fury Road&quot; the &quot;Fury Road&quot; video game, IMDB links to &quot;Mad Max (1979)&quot; and &quot;Mad Max:Fury Road (2015)&quot;, etc. then trailers on youtube for both movies and links to the movie sites etc.<p>It&#x27;s okay, I suppose, but Google first assumes I&#x27;m looking for &quot;Mad Max:Fury Road&quot; and fills the results for that, then I get links to WP and IMDB on the same topic (I could have just gone to those), except for WP it&#x27;s <i>not</i> for Fury Road. And why no love for Thunderdome?<p>Guess what happens when I search ddg? I get a list of <i>possible</i> meanings, the first of which is &quot;Mad Max&quot; <i>not</i> Fury Road (that&#x27;s #2), then a list of other possible meaning (which include Fury Road, the videogame, the Franchise, etc.). This is awesome, it&#x27;s not assuming which meaning I want, and thereby getting it wrong like Google <i>and</i> the list of possible meanings is better ordered. Then the search results are better too, of course the prerequisite IMDB and WP links are there, but the top 4 results are for &quot;Mad Max&quot; (or the franchise) and not for &quot;Fury Road&quot;...I&#x27;m actually getting results for what I searched for, not for what it thinks I searched for. The mix of results after that is also &quot;better&quot; to my eyes, it includes a large fan site, which Google doesn&#x27;t ever seem to get around to, Amazon, ebay, games, non-WP fan wikis, reviews, and so on.<p>Google seems intent on shoving the latest thing that the film studio marketing departments are currently pushing, while DDG provide links to information on <i>what I actually searched for</i>.<p>I&#x27;ve found this to be true for most of my searches. DDG is actually finding what I want instead of what Google wants.<p>About the <i>only</i> times I&#x27;m finding I&#x27;m using Google any more is in two cases:<p>* I&#x27;ve exhausted DDG&#x27;s results and want to see if Google&#x27;s bigger index has something else.<p>* Google&#x27;s more sophisticated time constraints on searches. DDG just lets me order results, but Google let&#x27;s me slice out results between time ranges, which I often find more useful for research purposes.<p>Bonus: Privacy, again not my main interest, but it&#x27;s nice that it&#x27;s there. !Bang syntax. I don&#x27;t use many of them, but I find them useful (it&#x27;s also how I execute google searches, just put a !g before my search in ddg).<p>Wishes: time-slice for search, someway to make it my default in mobile chrome on my android devices
pwenzelalmost 10 years ago
As a Minnesotan, I&#x27;m not going to use this service until is named a more suitable Duck Duck Grey Duck.
dude_abidesalmost 10 years ago
I wish the headline was s&#x2F;600%&#x2F;from 1.5M to 7M in 2 years&#x2F;<p>No less impressive, and so much more informative!
SalesHelpalmost 10 years ago
Way to go Gabriel! A unicorn who is a really nice, genuine guy who wants to help start-ups.
whoisthemachinealmost 10 years ago
Once I learned about the !bangs, I switched immediately. Usually the results are &quot;good enough&quot;, and when not, I try a !bang.
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nfozalmost 10 years ago
People should not have to change their behaviours like this in order to avoid the intrusion of their own government.
ljkalmost 10 years ago
what&#x27;s hn&#x27;s opinion on this screenshot from 4chan that suggests to not use DDG? <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;a.1339.cf&#x2F;xaikik.png" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;a.1339.cf&#x2F;xaikik.png</a><p>been using DDG since almost the beginning so i&#x27;m kind of conflicted...
adwordsjedialmost 10 years ago
So are they up to like 600 or 1200 users now?
callum85almost 10 years ago
The NSA news broke a long time ago and 600% over that period doesn&#x27;t sound like outlandish growth for a startup. Or maybe it is, I don&#x27;t know. It would be good to see this figure over time on a chart, then we could see if there is any change in growth rate.
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jisteralmost 10 years ago
The rest of the world doesn&#x27;t care about NSA surveillance so 600% doesn&#x27;t really mean anything and is meaningless. Hell, a lot of people don&#x27;t even know what Bing is!
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