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164 pointsby _kcn8almost 10 years ago

16 comments

dnauticsalmost 10 years ago
&quot;Helping rich people get taxis easier&quot;. As a Lyft and Uber driver, I count among my rides: getting a rough looking fellow (who has spent years in prison after accidentally killing someone in a bar fight) get to the only job that would take him - affordably and on-time (he would have been fired otherwise). I&#x27;ve given an enlisted navy family from Oklahoma (husband was deployed) get home from a late night run to a distant Walmart - the military pay for an e-3 is low and I imagine tough to support a family of three and there are few other options without a college degree.<p>It&#x27;s crazy to read about this guy who wonders if this all matters... The amount of money that the government spends to get a marginal improvement on society beyond basic functions of the government should be even more dismaying.<p>And it&#x27;s incredibly patronizing to despair from on high that tech doesn&#x27;t do any good for society.
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carlosdpalmost 10 years ago
I think the US Digital Service is a great initiative and I&#x27;ll consider taking a tour myself in the future. That said, I don&#x27;t really like these kinds of thinkers who believe the only companies that are doing something &quot;that matters&quot; are non-profits working directly on a specific problem in healthcare or poverty.<p>I have yet to work for a company, from non-profit internet companies to product-oriented SaaS startup powerhouses, that didn&#x27;t enable some great initiative or program that could not have existed without that company creating and improving their product and making it accessible, via availability or cost, to the non-profit that needed to worry about doing their actual work.<p>Take the author&#x27;s old company, Google, for example. They don&#x27;t do anything &quot;that matters&quot;? I assure you there are many non-profits, charities, and important initiatives around the world that would have a much harder time if they didn&#x27;t benefit from technologies that Google ushered in to the world. Mass, cheap communication via free email that is highly-available and untied from specific ISPs. Free, globally available document storage to safely store records and share documents across the globe, saving on the cost of having an entire department to handle the same task.<p>These products may seem frivolous and unnecessary to us, because we can (maybe) live without them. But there are organizations directly doing important, charitable work that can&#x27;t. Saying product companies that don&#x27;t directly work on the world&#x27;s poverty, social, or health (etc.) problems are not working on &quot;things that matter&quot; is just pretentious, in my opinion.<p>All that said, the author has the right to feel the way he feels and work wherever and on whatever he wants to. Just don&#x27;t tell everyone else what they do doesn&#x27;t really matter.<p>But that&#x27;s just my two cents =)
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jxm262almost 10 years ago
Nice read. I don&#x27;t mean to derail the discussion, but I wonder what sort of developers they were looking for when recruiting for the program. When I applied to the US Digital Service, I received a message back - &quot;we are seeking candidates with skills tightly matched to our current projects. Members of our team reviewed your application, and we don&#x27;t have the perfect match for your background right now&quot;. I&#x27;m mostly a web developer, so perhaps they were looking for a different background.<p>I have many of the same thoughts as the author (feel like my dev skills could be used to help some greater causes), but not sure where else I could make an impact. Particularly in government where I have alot of interest.
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Jemaclusalmost 10 years ago
I applied and interviewed with the USDS, but the biggest thing was that they wanted me to move to DC for 6+ months. I&#x27;m quite happy here on the west coast, engaged to be married, and attempting to buy a house. Moving cross-country is pretty much a deal-breaker for me.<p>That said, I really, really want to get involved in something that matters. My dream, for lack of a better phrase, no matter how cheesy it may sound, is to change the world. I want to solve what I call Epic Problems: malaria, clean water, homelessness, HIV, slavery, human trafficking. Or even something as simple as making a trip to the DMV as painless as picking up a prescription at the drug store.
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huevingalmost 10 years ago
Something about DC seems to give people the impression that anyone doing anything else in the world is &quot;stuff that doesn&#x27;t matter&quot;. R&amp;D at these companies is what actually solves problems at the root cause.<p>How would all of that healthcare exchange work have gone if the tech industry didn&#x27;t build the massive infrastructure it relies on (database tech, network tech, version control, the Internet)?<p>It feels like the person that wrote this article is the guy in the war movie yelling at the people designing new defenses for not being on the front lines firing a gun. There is a place for both roles, and shitting all over one half doesn&#x27;t make you better than them, it just makes you myopic.
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beatpandaalmost 10 years ago
I would love it if anyone repeating the tired talking point, that solutions for rich people&#x27;s problems will magically transmogrify into solutions for real problems with actual impact on human potential and quality of life, could name even <i>one example of this</i> that&#x27;s come out of U.S. technology startups in the last ten years.<p>I would also love it if anyone could explain why so many people don&#x27;t feel compelled to do anything about the poverty in Silicon Valley that is becoming <i>much, much worse</i> and <i>drastically</i> curtailing social mobility for poor people in the area, and instead promote this idea of &quot;efficient charity&quot; or whatever to help people far away, instead of <i>fixing the problems caused by the kind of people who focus solely on earning a lot of money</i>. Problems that exist whether those people spend that money on mosquito nets or hookers and blow.<p>These talking points get thrown around over and over again, largely without evidence, and it&#x27;s starting to feel like it&#x27;s just people trying to justify their desire to make a pile of money without feeling bad about it.
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pdeuchleralmost 10 years ago
Large leaps in technology have always, and will always, benefit the wealthiest 1% at the beginning. This is just the basics of capital in a capitalistic society.<p>The internet has already redistributed earth shattering quantities of wealth in record time. Besides, to actually solve the &quot;real problems&quot; (no true scotsman, but we won&#x27;t go down that path) you still need massive amounts of capital. Where else are you going to get that capital except for individuals who have gained their wealth through industry?<p>Can&#x27;t help but feel that there&#x27;s a serious holier-than-thou tone throughout the article just because the author spent 6 months in DC. Thought experiment: who is helping the 1% more, people who generate products for a public company or people who work on pet political projects for the DC elite? (Not implying there&#x27;s a right answer to that question, and not implying that&#x27;s all the OP did with their time in DC)
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omousealmost 10 years ago
&gt;<i>Most social impact projects and organizations are in the east coast, and, at least as far as I could tell (but in all likelihood, it’s probably because I suck at finding them), most of them don’t seem to have significant &#x2F; meaningful software projects</i><p>That&#x27;s because they&#x27;re stuck in the stone-ages and don&#x27;t have the imagination to use and create software (aka they&#x27;re run by marketers, managers and people who want to feel good about themselves). The charities&#x2F;non-profits are treated as non-technical users, the donors are treated as non-technical, the board members and C-level execs are all conservative. It&#x27;s a wonder that there&#x27;s been any use of software in automating and lowering the costs for non-profits to operate.<p>It&#x27;s more meaningful to work on Uber because at least there you have the <i>potential</i> to deliver food using the service to more homeless people than any other food delivery service.<p>The beginning of this post was good; fighting malaria is a big enough problem that could use better software (or at least more big-picture thinking). That&#x27;s the kind of stuff we should be working on; being able to distribute malaria nets as fast, as cheap and as efficiently as possible.<p>I don&#x27;t know, you can&#x27;t expect too much from companies and you can&#x27;t expect much from non-profits either. At least while working at Google you have the chance to use some of your time for things like the disaster reporting&#x2F;mapping tech or something else that can directly help someone like Gmail (charities <i>do</i> need a way to communicate!)
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deepdiver16almost 10 years ago
What would be a good way to find companies that try to address more &quot;pressing needs&quot; and need strong technical help? I am currently in Indonesia, on a break after 20y in Silicon Valley, and would have time to help. I&#x27;ve thought about NGOs but I suspect these may be hard to navigate? Thanks in advance for any pointers and ideas
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acabrahamsalmost 10 years ago
I&#x27;m sure this is a stupid question, but after a few minutes of googling I am still unclear on the answer so I thought I&#x27;d ask it here. I am about to start studying in the US (college), so I was wondering if the USDS accepts non-American citizens? Even without a green card? (I&#x27;m British, btw).
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_nqbvalmost 10 years ago
I didn&#x27;t catch this part- why did the author leave? Was it just a term end and he chose not to renew it?
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singularity2001almost 10 years ago
The first paragraphs read like cheesy paid promo for jobs in Washington. Trying to fix government is a great endeavor though, independent of the articles authenticity.
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nbevansalmost 10 years ago
I love how after 6 months working for someone he is happily blogging about it and he isn&#x27;t ashamed about it even in the slightest. If I saw he&#x27;d worked for someone for 6 months only then I&#x27;d want to hear a good reason why he left. Otherwise I will just assume he was fired, or knew he was struggling against his peers and decided to move on by himself. You have to read his About page to realise that is probably not likely to be the case in this instance, but still.
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a-dubalmost 10 years ago
So... Gates Foundation or Google Ideas?
alwaysdoitalmost 10 years ago
Why not take rich people&#x27;s money for taxis, and then donate how ever much of your salary to charities that are trying to fight malaria you think is appropriate?<p>Is making $40K&#x2F;yr doing something &quot;meaningful&quot; better than making $100K&#x2F;yr doing something &quot;meaningless&quot; and donating $60k&#x2F;yr to meaningful causes?
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misubaalmost 10 years ago
If there were profit in solving real problems, there wouldn&#x27;t be any real problems.