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Ask HN: Why do jr developer positions require so much?

9 pointsby devcheesealmost 10 years ago
I thought the point of being in a JR developer position was to get a job with limited experience and continue to learn while working. I've been in a job search lately and checking out these Jr Developer positions, they require so much! Some require bachelors degrees, 3-5 years in web development, experience with quite a few languages. I can't tell if this is really what Jr Developer positions require or if these companies are trying to save some money by paying little for the same experience.

6 comments

chrisbennetalmost 10 years ago
My theory is that JR+lots of requirements means "We want talent but we don't want to pay for it. Hey, it doesn't hurt to ask..."
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Someone1234almost 10 years ago
Junior and senior is related to responsibility and pay, not skill level. It is also worth noting that a job advert is a list of their "ideal" requirements, so if you don't meet them try applying anyway (or just claim you've been developing in your own time for "years").
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jewelalmost 10 years ago
For me at least, it&#x27;s because those without a few years of experience aren&#x27;t going to be able to be productive enough to be worth their pay. In fact, even if money isn&#x27;t an issue, they can add more workload to the senior members of the team in mentoring and bug-fixing time. This might be partially because web development changes so fast. It&#x27;s unlikely that someone with a degree but no real-world experience is going to be productive without (optimistically) a few months of training.<p>Don&#x27;t get me wrong, I&#x27;d gladly hire someone who has done her own side-projects that show initiative and ability to teach herself, even if she wasn&#x27;t through school yet.
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MalcolmDiggsalmost 10 years ago
As developers, I think our collective definition of &quot;junior&quot; and &quot;senior&quot; is very different than in most professions.<p>In other industries (think electricians, welders, doctors, attorneys, etc) you&#x27;d still be very &quot;junior&quot; if you only had 3 years experience.<p>And my theory is that a lot of HR and Executive folks are trained to think that way; they just haven&#x27;t bought into our way of seeing things...and they don&#x27;t necessarily appreciate how quickly things change in this industry; and how quickly people can up their skill-set to senior levels.
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alain94040almost 10 years ago
That&#x27;s why during college you need to work on some external projects (internship, open source, it doesn&#x27;t matter, as long as you build &quot;free&quot; experience).
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jotuxalmost 10 years ago
Job posting &quot;requirements&quot; are almost always wishlists and you should treat them that way.