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United Airlines System-Wide Computer Problem

92 pointsby SanjeevSharmaalmost 10 years ago

23 comments

chinathrowalmost 10 years ago
Nice reminder about a &quot;glitch&quot; happening in one of the datacenters use at the airline I used to work.<p>Went like this: Guy who shows around the new datacenter&#x2F;ops guy demonstrated how the emergency power off works by lifting the protection plate. Protection plate unhinges suddenly and droppes onto emergency power off button. Hilarity ensues.
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lectrickalmost 10 years ago
I have a nagging (intuition? feeling?) that software safety&#x2F;reliability&#x2F;security needs are going to explode soon (because unreliabilities multiply in non-resilient systems interacting with each other) and that these are simply foreshocks.<p>(yeah, I know security is already a huge deal, but as we come to trust software systems more and more, the safety&#x2F;reliability factor will come more into play)<p>EDIT: This is also part of the reason I&#x27;ve been learning Elixir (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;elixir-lang.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;elixir-lang.org&#x2F;</a>) since it&#x27;s based on the highly-resilient Erlang and is designed to embrace failure. This was also informed by me reading Nassim Taleb&#x27;s book &quot;Antifragile&quot; as well as &quot;Thinking in Systems: A Primer&quot; by the (late) Donella Meadows.
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carnesenalmost 10 years ago
I worked on United&#x27;s computer systems for a year (never that one though), and so I get nervous when I see a headline like that. True story: one of their systems still runs on a mainframe that has 9 bits in a byte!
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jaybnaalmost 10 years ago
I knew someone at United that once offered to give me a tour of one of their data centers: &quot;It is like a computer museum - we have one of everything.&quot; Hard to imagine that they would have problems as a result. United is a really, really bad airline.
jonawesomegreenalmost 10 years ago
I bet this is an issue with an old mainframe used somewhere in the booking system, something that has worked well but is difficult to fix when things go wrong.<p>I think there is &#x2F; will be a lot of money to be made trying to solve the problem of software security and reliability. This is obviously an extremely difficult problem, however the number of ancient systems that we currently have interconnected I think more large scale outages like this are inevitable.
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DangerousPiealmost 10 years ago
Official status page: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fly.faa.gov&#x2F;ois&#x2F;jsp&#x2F;summary_sys.jsp" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fly.faa.gov&#x2F;ois&#x2F;jsp&#x2F;summary_sys.jsp</a><p>Currently says:<p><pre><code> ATCSCC ADVZY 027 DCC 07&#x2F;08&#x2F;15 UAL GROUND STOP REVISION DESTINATION AIRPORT: ALL AIRPORTS FACILITIES INCLUDED: ALL FACILITIES GROUND STOP PERIOD: 08&#x2F;1200Z - 08&#x2F;1315Z REASON: USER REQUEST AUTOMATION ISSUES</code></pre>
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peterjmagalmost 10 years ago
Ouch. And only a month after another major systems outage: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;06&#x2F;united-flights-grounded-mysterious-problem&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;06&#x2F;united-flights-grounded-mysteri...</a>
kendallparkalmost 10 years ago
Was reading this on HN and heard it on NPR simultaneously.<p>I have a sneaking suspicion that booking systems for most airlines run atop legacyware. It just seems like the type of thing that would&#x27;ve been put in place long ago and then be very expensive to migrate&#x2F;updgrade.
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caractacusalmost 10 years ago
Not a word about it on United&#x27;s web site. Flight status page doesn&#x27;t load correctly. &quot;Today&#x27;s Operations&quot; gives an error message. United&#x27;s Twitter is silent.<p>Meanwhile news articles and twitter complaints abound. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mashable.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;07&#x2F;08&#x2F;united-computer-problems-flights-grounded" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mashable.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;07&#x2F;08&#x2F;united-computer-problems-flig...</a>
imgabealmost 10 years ago
United is a mess. I had the misfortune of flying with them a couple months ago. I ended up in a city a 2 hour drive from my actual destination and had to rent a car on my own to get to where I was going.<p>That was the worst of it, but almost every flight I saw on the way (both ones I was on and other flights at nearby gates) was delayed or overbooked or otherwise messed up in some way.
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Sukottoalmost 10 years ago
What does &quot;all airports&quot; mean? Global or just US domestic?
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dansoalmost 10 years ago
Very little news about this on Google News, but heard over the local Chicago ABC affiliate that the FAA attributed this to an &quot;automation error&quot;<p>Edit: And its Twitter account has been relatively inactive, with more than 30 minutes since the last reply-to or general tweet...presumably a lot complaining tweets have come in in the last 30 minutes <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;united&#x2F;with_replies" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;united&#x2F;with_replies</a>
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gesmanalmost 10 years ago
Interesting bits:<p>&quot;Departing DEN; taxied and then returned to gate. Pilot says nationwide failure of &quot;three or four&quot; computer systems. Only information from airport staff is that since the computers are down UAL can&#x27;t book pax onto any other airline ...&quot;<p>&quot;Systemwide Ground Stop posted at FAA: Due to USER REQUEST DUE TO AUTOMATION ISSUES. UAL AND SUBS ONLY., departure traffic destined to ALL airport will not be allowed to depart until at or after 13:15 UTC.&quot;
vaadualmost 10 years ago
How do you know it&#x27;s a glitch(whatever that means) and not a big problem such as a data center outage or hacker caused?
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DannyBeealmost 10 years ago
Considering just yesterday their flight system didn&#x27;t believe they flew from SFO for 2+ hours in the morning (I have screenshots), i&#x27;m not all that shocked.
bst287almost 10 years ago
Currently in the air on a United flight, EWR -&gt; SFO. Took off at 7:30ish. No mention of this in the airport or on the plane. Yikes
pavel_lishinalmost 10 years ago
&quot;Automation error&quot; rings a funny bell in my head, since I&#x27;m currently re-reading &quot;A Fire Upon The Deep&quot;.
aaronkrolikalmost 10 years ago
Is anyone familiar with the UA tech stack? I&#x27;d be curious to see what they&#x27;re running.
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TWAndrewsalmost 10 years ago
I was able to get checked in via the United android App around 9am ET.
rwestergrenalmost 10 years ago
Perhaps someone wasn&#x27;t following the bug bounty rules?
raus22almost 10 years ago
Off-topic: Please use ISO 8601 format(YYYY-MM-DD) for dates in titles. The US date format hurts my poor logical soul.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;ISO_8601" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;ISO_8601</a>
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johnrydellalmost 10 years ago
Let&#x27;s just be thankful that we haven&#x27;t had a major air-based catastrophe due to an outage or hacking!
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scrumperalmost 10 years ago
That&#x27;s twice in a short time now - &#x27;coincidence&#x27; on Ian Fleming&#x27;s scale. A third time is enemy action. Airlines do seem like a pretty juicy target for cyber war operations - you can cause a gigantic amount of disruption with a successful attack on a single system.
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