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The Electric Car

201 pointsby katmalmost 10 years ago

49 comments

reedlawalmost 10 years ago
I can&#x27;t believe he&#x27;s comparing a $70,000 electric car to a huge bucket labeled &quot;old-fashioned gasoline cars&quot;. Of course the $70,000 car is better in almost every way. I&#x27;ve driven a lot of electric cars in the $5,000 to $10,000 range and I assure you they are not better than &quot;old-fashioned gasoline cars&quot;. Our last gas-powered car was a used Lexus that cost us $8,000. It&#x27;s an extremely comfortable luxury car that seats 5 and can easily be driven across the country. A new electric car [1], on the other hand, costs approximately the same but can only seat 2 people and can travel 160 km on one charge. It&#x27;s top speed is 80 km&#x2F;h. It takes 6 hours to fully charge. The costly lithium-ion batteries will have to be replaced at some point. True, it is convenient for trips around town without much luggage. I&#x27;m fairly confident that the used Lexus will outlast and outrun the new electric car.<p>1. This is the car: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;chinaautoweb.com&#x2F;car-models&#x2F;zotye-zhidou-zd-e20-ev&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;chinaautoweb.com&#x2F;car-models&#x2F;zotye-zhidou-zd-e20-ev&#x2F;</a>
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harshawalmost 10 years ago
I wish people would be <i>slightly</i> more honest about technological change. Smartphones are very special. They are very cheap, easy to mass produce, and you can iterate on them very quickly. Cars on the other hand have a much longer life cycle, involve much more capital, and in general are going to follow an elongated investment &#x2F; replacement cycle. Comparing these two systems, while enthusiastic and great for a college term paper, seems premature.<p>I am really excited that there may be a fleet of self driving electric cars in urban areas in 10 years. It&#x27;s going to be awesome. But I am willing to bet for the rest of us its going to be a more conservative change that is going to evolve over decades.
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JTonalmost 10 years ago
&gt; The reason electric cars will take over our roads is because consumers will DEMAND them. Electric cars will be better than any alternative, including the loud, inconvenient, gas-powered jalopy. The iPhone demonstrated that smartphones are infinitely better than the feature phones which dominated the world in 2007.<p>The smartphone revolution analogy makes me cringe. Electric cars are currently playing catch up to their gasoline counterparts in almost every metric except emissions. When the iPhone was released it quite literally leapfrogged the competition (with the exception of battery life). What gives author?
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erikpukinskisalmost 10 years ago
I don&#x27;t think people full comprehend the price drop that is imminent. The total cost of ownership per mile for a car in the U.S. right now is about $0.60. I was watching a panel the other day where someone calculated the cost per mile of a fleet of self-driving on-demand electric cars at $0.08.<p>That an 86% reduction. People might have their misgivings about any of this stuff... electric, self-driving, carshare, and of course many people will go their own way. But for an 86% reduction in your monthly auto bill, it&#x27;s going to be an avalanche.
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hackuseralmost 10 years ago
The real story my be that car sales may decline, gas or electric:<p>* People drive less; I saw a study showing that significantly fewer millenials are licensed to drive than their predecessors.<p>* More people live in cities, where the cost of cars is higher (insurance and parking) and the demand for them is less due to the proximity of destinations and the availability of alternatives (public transport, taxis, ride-sharing, car sharing, bicycling)<p>* Energy costs likely will increase.<p>* As awareness of climate change grows, people will be less willing to cause greenhouse gas emissions (and the energy in your electric car battery must come from somplace, probably a fossil-fuel in a power plant).
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tikhonjalmost 10 years ago
&gt; <i>The Tesla Model S has demonstrated that a well made, well designed electric car is far superior to anything else on the road.</i><p>I think this is a bit of an exaggeration. What the Tesla Model S has <i>actually</i> shown is that a startup-designed $100k electric car can be comparable to $100k luxury cars (S-class, 7-series... etc) and that classic car makers got complacent on certain features (like electronic UI elements). Much of what he said is true, or could easily be true, for $100k gasoline cars too!<p>In fact, I think that&#x27;s enough of an exaggeration for me to question his whole conclusion. He made a good case for why <i>Tesla</i> could be the next big thing, but just like Android popped up against the iPhone, I could see gasoline cars copying many of the advantages—anything that&#x27;s not a direct result of an electric drive-train.<p>This isn&#x27;t to say that electric cars <i>won&#x27;t</i> take over—I think they very well might—but the blog post doesn&#x27;t make the best case for it.<p>I also really dislike that whole argument style of cherry-picking a &quot;disruptive&quot; innovation that happened to succeed but ignoring all the others that either failed or didn&#x27;t deliver for decades. You can&#x27;t generalize the smart-phone&#x27;s success that easily! It feels like a pernicious case of what poker players call &quot;results oriented thinking&quot;[1], which is something I see <i>a lot</i> in business analysis.<p>[1]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.toppokersites.com&#x2F;strategy&#x2F;results-oriented-thinking&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.toppokersites.com&#x2F;strategy&#x2F;results-oriented-think...</a>
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swombatalmost 10 years ago
Interesting article, though it forgets the elephant in the room: self-driving cars.<p>The two will probably work hand in hand, but it is unlikely, in my opinion, that any electric cars will be charging at home very much, because most electric cars will be owned by companies, not individuals. Why own a car when you can pay a tiny percentage of a cab fare to go anywhere? When a journey that currently costs $50 costs 20 cents, private car ownership will plummet.
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stuaxoalmost 10 years ago
&quot;Ten years ago a prediction that this would be the future would have been met with scorn or laughter&quot;<p>... this sounds like bollocks, I guess I am an outlier as I worked on J2me apps at the time, but mobile phones where <i>everywhere</i> in 2005, the US was a bit behind, but certainly in the UK mobile wasn&#x27;t the future, but the present - many of those people used apps and games, they just didn&#x27;t know what an &#x27;app&#x27; was although they used them.
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mschuster91almost 10 years ago
While I agree with the author that electric vehicles will in not long time dominate the car market, I strongly disagree with point #3:<p>&gt; Gas stations will start to go out of business as many more electric cars are sold, making gasoline powered vehicles even more inconvenient.<p>Gas stations even today don&#x27;t make money with gas, it&#x27;s next to a loss leader to get customers into the store and spend money on snacks and car parts that won&#x27;t go away with e-cars (windshield wipers, wiper fluid) - and in many regions gas stations are exempt from normal store opening hours and serve as 24h-supermarket. The convenience of a readily available store, even with a hefty markup, simply is too good to avoid it.
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JacobAldridgealmost 10 years ago
One element Geoff doesn&#x27;t cover in the comparison, which I think will slow the take-up, is that the lifecycle of a phone (&lt;2 years) versus the lifecycle of a car (4-5 years?).<p>And those (from memory, please correct with data) are median averages. For every person still toting an iPhone3 I imagine there are scores still driving a 1993 Camry.<p>Smartphones exploded in use over the timeframe described, because the technology improved rapidly AND consumers upgraded 2-3 times so could choose the newest and best. Even if cars had similar tech trajectories, the market is moving more slowly.<p>Of course, electric cars have a secondary market that&#x27;s much stronger than used phones, which will work against my numbers.
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beamatronicalmost 10 years ago
I see a very simple story: Among friends and family, I don&#x27;t know anyone who would not get a Tesla, who doesn&#x27;t already have one, once it reaches their price range. I also want to add that most folks I know are planning to make their cars last until such time as they can switch them out for a Tesla ( Model X preferably as a minivan replacement ).
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reustlealmost 10 years ago
&gt; Thanks to Sam Altman for having read an earlier version of this post.<p>Does this add anything to the article, or is it just a way to say &quot;I&#x27;m friends with Sam&quot;. Do people proofreading a short article expect this sort of thing?
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sgustardalmost 10 years ago
An excellent but longer and more detailed piece in the same vein is &quot;How Tesla Will Change The World&quot; at<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;waitbutwhy.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;06&#x2F;how-tesla-will-change-your-life.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;waitbutwhy.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;06&#x2F;how-tesla-will-change-your-lif...</a>
martinaldalmost 10 years ago
To be honest, this misses the point in urban areas (which is increasingly where everyone wants to live).<p>There&#x27;s too much congestion for cars to work in urban areas, at least for commuting. It doesn&#x27;t matter whether they are autonomous, electric, petrol, hydrogen or whatever. The capacity of a multi-lane freeway vs a heavy rail commuter line or metro is so small, even with carpooling.<p>Unless suddenly this trend reverses and everyone wants to live in the suburbs, the car is really in trouble.<p>I use public transit nearly all the time and for the times I don&#x27;t, I take an uber. I tried uber once when there was a problem with transit, and the door to door time was something like 4x the metro due to traffic. Never again.
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elorantalmost 10 years ago
If electric cars are going to become mainstream we certainly need something far more affordable than Model S. With the money it costs I could buy a Mercedes S-Class which is unparalleled in terms of quality and ride comfort. Furthermore in regions like Europe you can run in all short of inconsistencies with incompatible sockets&#x2F;recharge stations. Just the other day I was watching a video [1] of a car journalist who tried to make the trip from UK to Amsterdam in a BMW i3 Rx and it took him twice the time it would with a conventional car.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=B0f0_hqWdTk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=B0f0_hqWdTk</a>
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toephu2almost 10 years ago
Seems that this article fails to mention that owning a house is a prerequisite to buying an EV (electric vehicle). If you rent a room in a house, it&#x27;s unlikely the landlord is going to install a charger just for you, and the same goes for apartment complexes. So that already excludes a large portion of the population from buying an EV. I bet 90% of EV owners are not renting their residence. (The other 10% can charge at work or other places, but relative to the number of parking spaces, count how many charging stations there are at BigCo)
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aabajianalmost 10 years ago
The original iPhone had a lot going for it, but I think it was the call-the-Starbucks example that really sold it for me. Remember Steve Jobs on stage looking up the GPS walking path to Starbucks, and having the phone number ready with one-push? It just made perfect sense - a smart phone eliminates the yellow pages.<p>I don&#x27;t know if I can find such a feature for an electric car. It&#x27;s nice that you can plug it in at home, but this is just replacing one need (visit a gas station) with another (remembering to plug it in &#x2F; staying close to home).
darkstar999almost 10 years ago
Someone has to be working on battery swaps instead of charging, right? That seems like such an easy solution to what most people consider the biggest problem with electric.
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SQL2219almost 10 years ago
One point not addressed in this article: gas will get cheaper and fuel efficiencies will rise. Internal combustion will not just lay down and disappear.
rickdalealmost 10 years ago
My big qualm with the electric cars that I don&#x27;t read about is the 40minute-1hour charging. People complain that charging stations aren&#x27;t near them, but the convenience of pulling into a gas station filling up and being ready for another 400 miles in less than 5 minutes is hard to beat. Even if the charging stations were all around, 5 versus 40-60 min is a big difference.
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laurentogetalmost 10 years ago
If this prediction is right, the electric grid will have a tough time catching up. Power plants take a long time to plan, fund and build.
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jebbluealmost 10 years ago
&quot;The iPhone demonstrated that smartphones are infinitely better than the feature phones which dominated the world in 2007.&quot;<p>The iPhone had predecessors, some Apple, some Microsoft, many tiny companies with good ideas but no business brains. It like the electric car stood on the shoulders of giants.<p>The electric car still has two major hurdles (I wish it weren&#x27;t true I really wish that the prediction comes true): 1) the Oil industry is powerful 2) batteries.<p>With a car, if I want to take a short trip to the local gas me up station then decide to drive 300 miles just to say hey to a friend...I could do that. With an electric car and today&#x27;s batteries, each &quot;filling&quot; station would have to be able to provide a fully charged, safe battery pack that is compatible with my vehicle.<p>If better batteries could be made with oil, adoption for electric cars would be overnight and the prediction manifested.
higherpurposealmost 10 years ago
&gt; Gas stations will start to go out of business as many more electric cars are sold, making gasoline powered vehicles even more inconvenient.<p>That&#x27;s a great point that I&#x27;ve never considered before.<p>&gt; On the other hand, the potential exists for a huge rollout of home solar power over the next decade.<p>Electric cars will convince their owners to install rooftop solar panels, too, which will then convince them to get Powerwall-like batteries for backup, which will then decrease the price of batteries, which will then make electric cars cheaper and more appealing to more people.<p>It&#x27;s a beautiful feedback loop.<p>And wow DOE&#x27;s predictions are <i>terrible</i> (first source). It&#x27;s almost as if they went around surveying car manufacturers about their plans to make electric cars in 2013 and then made their predictions for <i>27 years later</i> based on <i>that</i>. Just terrible.<p>And 11% cars will be using ethanol in 2040? Really? I&#x27;ll be surprised if 0.11% of them will use ethanol by then.<p>&gt; The current range of a Model S tops out at about 300 miles. Even GM is extending it&#x27;s Volt to 200 miles to effectively compete with Tesla.<p>Volt is the range-extender, and it doesn&#x27;t come near that (for battery mileage). You&#x27;re thinking &quot;Bolt&quot; which is not really meant to be the successor to Volt, because it&#x27;s a full EV and doesn&#x27;t have a range extender. That&#x27;s what they claim it will do on battery alone. It will compete with Model 3, not S.<p>&gt; Battery technology is difficult, but it would be extremely surprising if the available ranges don&#x27;t double again in 5 years or less.<p>I agree. Part of it will be from the natural evolution of Li-ion batteries, and part from Tesla&#x27;s Gigafactory coming online. I expect battery prices to drop in half again to around $100 in another 5 years, after Apple has launched its electric car, too, and Tesla has made a couple more Gigafactories + the natural progress in density of the batteries. After that we might need some breakthroughs to go to $50 or less per kWh.<p>$100&#x2F;kWh should be enough to switch the &quot;Early Majority&quot; to EVs, which is half the population. The other half will need batteries to be $50&#x2F;kWh (or less) to make EVs cheap enough but also with long enough range for the more conservative gas-powered car drivers, who probably won&#x27;t accept anything less than a (real) 500 mile range on an EV.
skcalmost 10 years ago
Must be nice to live in the first world.<p>I&#x27;ve always wondered if the realization of this electric car utopia in the first world will eventually lead to Lamborghinis and Porches being dumped on us poor people in the third world like hand me down clothes.
lvsalmost 10 years ago
I can&#x27;t imagine what the iPhone has to do with an electric car. The post just refers to a software interface (which all cars now have), a network conncetion, and automatic updates. None of these relies on the powertrain of the car.
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dangrossmanalmost 10 years ago
The future&#x27;s already here. A 2-3 year old Nissan Leaf, top trim with all the features, with 10-20K miles on it and a 7-year factory CPO warranty, costs just $10-12K. That&#x27;s thousands less than the average price paid for a used car last month. If your commute&#x27;s less than 40-50 miles each way, you can have all the advantages of owning an EV today, not X years down the line. Zero gas, zero maintenance, zero emission inspections, and damn fun to drive. And you don&#x27;t need any special charging hardware; you can plug it into any old 120V wall socket overnight.
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ph0rquealmost 10 years ago
For gas stations, the profit from gas is ~1%, but the profit from snacks etc. is much higher. So gas stations could easily add electric charging stations and continue making profit. Source: worked at Sheetz during high school and college, sat through their corporate presentations from time to time.<p>Now, it is true that the electric charging stations have to compete with an additional category: people charging at home, so there will be gas station closings. The first franchise to add electric chargers should still be profitable, though.
stellar678almost 10 years ago
While I&#x27;m all on-board for the importance and awesomeness of a wholesale transition to electric transportation, I think this essay leaves out some important considerations.<p>The primary one that pops to mind for me: people replace their phones every 2-3 years. (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.phonearena.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;Americans-replace-their-cell-phones-every-2-years-Finns--every-six-a-study-claims_id20255" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.phonearena.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;Americans-replace-their-cell-...</a>)<p>How often do people replace their car?
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gambitingalmost 10 years ago
Eeeeeee, coming from a country where average age of a car on the road is 10+ years, I would say absolutely no. And about fuel stations becoming less profitable and closing...how do you think stations survive in remote places of the world where there is very few cars? They increase their prices. And some of us will still gladly pay those prices,because we have to drive petrol&#x2F;diesel powered cars(trucks are not going to be electric powered for a long time).
staunchalmost 10 years ago
I find even this view to be pessimistic and limited, because it assumes we need to keep fairly conventional (but electric) cars around, which we don&#x27;t!<p>It&#x27;s likely we&#x27;ll rapidly end up with something like the computer controlled &quot;carpods&quot; Google is building, which could be radically cheaper than any car people have to be able to drive. Even if they can only go 45mph, that&#x27;s enough to navigate most major cities at an optimal speed.
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Corradoalmost 10 years ago
I have test driven a Model S and I will strive to never purchase a ICE driven car again. I, quite literally, changed my perspective on transportation and my life. Previously, I&#x27;ve been lusting after a used 911 or S4 but no more.<p>Tesla has my business, especially if they can pull off a ~$35k in a couple of years. All I have to do is make my current A4 &amp; Honda Odyssey make it a bit longer. :)
kumarskialmost 10 years ago
I think this is a tough discussion to have without discussing the following engineering realities and understanding how the needle moves for each of them over time.<p>Key Metrics:<p>Specific Energy Density<p>Cost&#x2F; Unit of Specific Energy Density<p>Liquid Hydrocarbin Energy Density vs. Galvanic Battery Density<p>Simplicity and Maintainability<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;qr.ae&#x2F;7L89on" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;qr.ae&#x2F;7L89on</a> (everyone should read this post.)
sharemywinalmost 10 years ago
Part of the iPhones success was the base of iPod users with music collections in the ecosystem that could only get it on the their phone with an &quot;upgrade&quot;. No such thing exists for Telsa. Now when someone figures out drive as a service and it cost &lt;$200&#x2F;mo for the average user with a commute. You have a disruptive scenario.
sosukealmost 10 years ago
We just need to add outlets everywhere. I&#x27;d love one, but I don&#x27;t have a place to charge it.
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joarsalmost 10 years ago
I though the lesson from the iphone&#x27;s success was that a product with less features, easier to use and more integrated make great products. With that reasoning plug-in hybrids are the future, although I&#x27;m personally rooting for pure electric to win in the end.
Istofalmost 10 years ago
To me the best parts of an electric car is that the power-train assembly is much simpler then with a gas powered one and it can be powered with pretty much any kind of energy... whatever feeds your home. and the downfall is of course the range.
callesggalmost 10 years ago
A big problem is that battery&#x27;s require lithium, which is quite rare(not supper rare but still rare enough for it to be a problem).<p>My prediction is that sales if electric cars wont become exponential until we get cheaper and greener battery technology.
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dnauticsalmost 10 years ago
&gt; In fact, in 2005 few if any of the futurists would have even been able to imagine the kind of device most of us now depend upon.<p>Well, let&#x27;s be honest, mod the implementation details, Star Trek pretty much got this correct with the PADD.
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vamuralmost 10 years ago
Without cheap batteries, electric cars are a niche product, unfortunately. And with the Iran deal, oil and natural gas are going to be even cheaper so electric cars would become even more expensive.
tomtang0514almost 10 years ago
I can&#x27;t believe he said electric cars are more fun to drive. There&#x27;re fun to drive electric cars such as tesla and fiat 500e, but they&#x27;re never more fun to drive than most (if not all) other cars in it&#x27;s price range. The only advantage of an electric car in terms of performance is torque. And it doesn&#x27;t necessary has more torque. Yes electric cars has maximum torque at 0 rpm, but do anyone actually bother looking at it&#x27;s torque curve? Different from gasoline cars, the torque of electric cars goes DOWN when rpm goes up. I do believe electric cars make a lot of sense for normal people, especially commuters, but please do not say it&#x27;s more fun to drive because it&#x27;s absolutely not.
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philwelchalmost 10 years ago
This <i>might</i> happen, but I think Geoff is a little too breathless here. Smartphones cost up to $200 with contract. (Approximately nobody buys unlocked phones in the US.) Almost anybody could scrape up $200, and for those who can&#x27;t, there are $0-with-contract smartphones by now and &lt;$50 prepaid smartphones.<p>The Tesla Model S costs $69,900. That is a hilarious amount of money to spend on a car. That&#x27;s $18,000 more than a Mercedes-Benz E-Class. $20,000 more than an Audi A6. $45,000 more than a Toyota Prius. $50,000 more than a Volkswagen Jetta. You could buy a different, damn good used car for every day of the work week for the cost of a single Tesla Model S.<p>OK, you say, but the iPhone launched at a high price too. The difference is, the iPhone&#x27;s price came down in a couple of years and the Tesla&#x27;s price is still extremely high, even for a luxury car, seven years after the launch of the Roadster. Is the price of a Tesla going to drop $50,000 in the next five to ten years?<p>Has the Tesla sold well? About 50,000 Teslas have been sold in the United States since 2012[1]. In contrast, Toyota sold over four times that number of cars in June 2015 alone.[2] &quot;Struggling&quot; Volkswagen sold 30,000 cars in April.[3] Even in the luxury category, BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus all sell in excess of 300,000 cars a year[4]. 300,000 cars a year, vs. 50,000 cars in three years.<p>The author also notes a number of advantages of the Tesla:<p>&gt; It’s more fun to drive, with smooth, transmission-less acceleration. For most of us it is the fastest car we have ever owned.<p>&gt; It’s quieter at all times and nearly silent at low speeds.<p>&gt; It allows you to drive in the carpool lane<p>&gt; It’s more roomy and has a trunk in the front (the “frunk”) AND a spacious back.<p>I agree with these.<p>&gt; [It allows you] to sign up for a cheaper energy usage plan at home.<p>&gt; It is always “full” every morning one drives it and you never need to go to a gas station.<p>This is true for people who live in detached houses. People who are ecologically conscious often prefer not to do this, and that makes it harder to gain a foothold among early adopters. In fact, among this segment, and among the younger segment overall, Tesla&#x27;s biggest competition isn&#x27;t going to be other car makers; it&#x27;s going to be the decision not to own a car in the first place. Once Tesla reaches a point of economical mass production, they should seriously consider partnering with Zipcar to install charging stations at Zipcar lots and provide Teslas as Zipcar fleet vehicles; in the long run, they might get more Tesla drivers that way than they ever would selling vehicles to individual buyers.<p>If electric cars are the future, I&#x27;m going to despair that in the 21st century, we&#x27;re still hauling around individual 300 pound Americans in 4,000 pound, 16 foot long cars. The trends towards young people returning to the city center and not owning cars are both better trends to encourage and more powerful trends than the trend of selling a really nice, $70,000 electric luxury car.<p>&gt; It has a user interface - including, notably, its navigation system - as superior to that of other cars as the iPhone was to earlier phones.<p>&gt; It is connected to the Internet.<p>&gt; It continuously gets better with automatic updates and software improvements.<p>&gt; It comes with an app that allows you to manage the car from your phone.<p>None of these are inherent to electric cars, and any luxury marque should be able to copy these, just like they&#x27;ve been copying from each other for years. And once the luxury marques copy these features, they will filter down to all new cars. (This is even assuming that the last three points are a positive, which I don&#x27;t think they are.)<p>&gt; Gas stations will start to go out of business as many more electric cars are sold, making gasoline powered vehicles even more inconvenient.<p>On the contrary, I think not actually having to sell as much gas would be a boon to the gas station. Gas stations make next to zero margin on actual gasoline, and all of their margin on the convenience store. People on road trips will still have to take breaks, use the restroom, and buy a Red Bull. The gas station doesn&#x27;t really care whether you refuel your car along the way, but as long as they still exist and provide the service of refueling the driver (and how hard is it to set up some sort of metered power jack for your electric car at the gas station, too?), the business of actually selling fuel will be subsidized.<p>In fact, here&#x27;s another way to look at it: diesel-powered cars are fairly rare in the US, and yet it&#x27;s still easy to find a gas station that pumps diesel. Not every gas station does it, but it&#x27;s not a barrier to diesel fuel sales.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tesla_Model_S#Global" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tesla_Model_S#Global</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.com&#x2F;releases&#x2F;toyota+lexus+scion+june+2015+sales+release.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.com&#x2F;releases&#x2F;toyota+lexus...</a><p>[3] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;media.vw.com&#x2F;release&#x2F;976&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;media.vw.com&#x2F;release&#x2F;976&#x2F;</a><p>[4] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;2015&#x2F;01&#x2F;05&#x2F;us-usa-autos-luxury-idUSKBN0KE1RG20150105" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;2015&#x2F;01&#x2F;05&#x2F;us-usa-autos-luxur...</a>
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roflchoppaalmost 10 years ago
Eh. i would like to see independent garages retrofitting batteries into classic cars.<p>but man, theres nothing like hearing carburetors on v8&#x27;s.
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suprgeekalmost 10 years ago
Shell, Exxon, BP will pour massive lobby dollars to slow down the spread of electric cars. GM, Ford, Honda &amp; Toyota (and the Dealer network) will get in on the lobbying action against electric cars when they see their current monopolies eroding.<p>Comparing the spread of the Smartphone (digital device by definition) to the Spread of the Car (physical) and then extrapolating a best case future is wishful thinking.
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SQL2219almost 10 years ago
Then there is the whole theory that car ownership will go away as driverless cars take over.
MattHeardalmost 10 years ago
&gt; Current predictions of the future of electric cars are as wrong as any predictions about the future of mobile phones made in 2005.<p>I find it odd that Mr. Ralston says this while predicting the future of electric cars. Surely he meant &quot;Everyone else&#x27;s current predictions…&quot;
pierotofyalmost 10 years ago
I would still buy a gasoline car just because there are no charging stations near where I live. Yeah you can charge at home, but if I have to take a longer trip? At least for me, I will wait until charging stations become more available. Could be a chicken and egg problem.
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lectrickalmost 10 years ago
&gt; and to sign up for a cheaper energy usage plan at home<p>Wait... What is this??
darkstar999almost 10 years ago
&gt; The future of automotive transportation is an electric one and you can expect that future to be here soon.<p>The future is electric <i>driverless</i> cars. How long until they are mandatory?
curiousjorgealmost 10 years ago
I think the article is overly optimistic and derives some sort of future prediction based on a simplified past performance of a totally different market. Tesla is a luxury , many of us can&#x27;t afford it and if we could we would most likely opt for BMW or Benz.<p>The reason these other car makers aren&#x27;t moving yet is they are learning from Tesla. You don&#x27;t want to be a first mover in this industry, you want to move so slightly close to what everyone is doing but still differentiate yourself on brand. Cars today have vastly improved across the board regardless of make. To say gas stations will go out of business is ludicrous at best, Tesla will go out of business sooner as established car brands move in and hurt bottom line for Tesla. In the short while the euphoria towards Tesla will continue but it&#x27;s headed for a not so pleasant ending. Great for humanity, bad for Musk.
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