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“Suspicion of treason”: German attorney general investigates journalists

162 pointsby _stephanalmost 10 years ago

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maze-lealmost 10 years ago
I want to give you a little context here, because I assume most non-german readers will be unfamiliar with netzpolitik.org. netzpolitik.org is a professional blog about politics in the information age, financed mainly by donations. They report and comment on political and legal issues concerning computers, the internet and technology in general.<p>netzpolitik.org has covered the &#x27;Geheimdienstausschuss&#x27; (a parliamentary working group, formed after the Snowden leaks) extensiveley, like no other german-speaking media. They also played a critical role in the public debate around data-retention, voting-computers and many other issues in germany in recent years.<p>I think, chances are high, that they will never be convicted. Still, this will send chilling effects on critical media, blogs and journalists.<p>The german journalist associaation called it an attack on freedom of the press.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.djv.de&#x2F;startseite&#x2F;profil&#x2F;der-djv&#x2F;pressebereich-download&#x2F;pressemitteilungen&#x2F;detail&#x2F;article&#x2F;justizposse-gegen-journalisten.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.djv.de&#x2F;startseite&#x2F;profil&#x2F;der-djv&#x2F;pressebereich-do...</a>
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_stephanalmost 10 years ago
Currently netzpolitik.org doesn&#x27;t seem to be able to cope with the traffic. The text of the page can also be read here: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pastebin.com&#x2F;kwUyafqi" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pastebin.com&#x2F;kwUyafqi</a>
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_jomoalmost 10 years ago
Netzpolitik.org are doing great work. They are live blogging from every public session of the NSAUA (NSA Investigation Committee), where video and audio recordings are prohibited, they keep track of all sorts of political event and changes regarding net politics (hence the name) such as data retention, net neutrality, the recent hack of the German parliament etc. They also send FOIA requests about these topics, report about nuisances and double standards and they publish information that was kept secret (or &#x27;non-public&#x27; as politicians prefer to call it).<p>A few weeks ago it was rumored that there was an ongoing investigation against the whistleblowers who leaked some of the documents. The government did not want to confirm any of this and it was not clear until today that the journalists were also part of the investigation.<p>It&#x27;s a shame to see this happening in Germany.
allendoerferalmost 10 years ago
So the first substantial action of the German government to the NSA scandal is to persecute journalists. Learned, never forgotten.<p>It is summer break without any upcoming news, so I hope this backfires really bad at them.
chipgap98almost 10 years ago
I find it interesting that they are investigating them for treason, rather than something like espionage. I know nothing of German law, but it feels like it would be difficult to prove that they betrayed the country
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powertoweralmost 10 years ago
I&#x27;ve been exploring the state of world geopolitics for the last couple of years, and the ironic thing about all this is that the German media seems to be predominantly composed of news outlets and journalists who more or less peddle stories that are created by a foreign government - with the purpose of serving that foreign government &#x2F; while betraying its own...<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=sGqi-k213eE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=sGqi-k213eE</a>
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neulandbreachalmost 10 years ago
German news site investigated for treason, website of Attorney General hacked: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pastebin.com&#x2F;PT8yQgky" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pastebin.com&#x2F;PT8yQgky</a>
doeneralmost 10 years ago
Article in English: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dw.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;german-prosecutors-investigate-internet-journalists-for-treason&#x2F;a-18619254" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dw.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;german-prosecutors-investigate-internet...</a>
arca_voragoalmost 10 years ago
&quot;Whosoever […] allows a state secret to come to the attention of an unauthorised person or to become known to the public in order to prejudice the Federal Republic of Germany or benefit a foreign power and thereby creates a danger of serious prejudice to the external security of the Federal Republic of Germany, shall be liable to imprisonment of not less than one year.&quot;<p>Seems to me like they would have a hard time proving that the journalists let either a person or the public know about a state secret <i>in order to... &quot;prejudice the Federal Republic of Germany&quot; or to &quot;benefit a foreign power&quot;</i>. That would mean they would have to show intent, and while I&#x27;m not familiar with these particular journalists, I think it&#x27;s highly unlikely they are trying to destroy their own country, and are rather trying to perform their function as journalists in that they are informing citizens, aka the public, about potentially relevant information even if it may be considered confidential or secret in nature.<p>The problem is that the governments of the world want to pretend like that have final say in what constitutes <i>egregiously dangerous information</i> and often conflate it with information that is obviously not.<p>Germany has quite a few more restrictions on free speech as well, but I&#x27;m curious what section of law the accusations would fall under.<p>Look, the bottom line is that across the world, freedom of speech is dangerous to the powers that be, and it is communication that enables freedom of speech. Communication in the form of technology has largely leveled the playing field faster than nation states could catch up, and the internet has for a short time become a bastion of free speech in a world were the state and corporations have taken over almost all other forms (first it was the printing press, then the telegraph, then radio, and TV).<p>Now TPTB have awoken to the danger that is the internet as a medium of unrestricted anarchistic freedom of though, and that, my friends, is the real reason the internet will be, and is being, taken over, legislated, regulated, censored, tracked and tagged. Not because of &quot;national security&quot;, but because of &quot;globalized aristocratic oligarchical security posing as national security&quot;.<p>Make no mistake, they will pass the laws they want if they don&#x27;t exist, and if we fight them (like we did with SOPA&#x2F;CISPA, etc) they will simply try again after learning the lessons of their defeat. That doesn&#x27;t mean we shouldn&#x27;t keep fighting them, but the attacker, especially a well geared and learned attacker always has the advantage.<p>A good example of this kind of legislative subterfuge, at least in the US, is the Aldrich plan and the Federal Reserve Act.<p>According to G. Edward Griffin, Paul Warburg and his co-conspirators “added several very sound provisions to the Federal Reserve Bill. By that I mean they added some provisions which seriously restricted the ability of the Federal Reserve to create money out of nothing. Warburg&#x27;s associates said, ‘Paul, what are you doing? We don&#x27;t want those in there, this is our bill.’ And his response was, &quot;Relax fellas, don&#x27;t you get it? Our object is to get the bill passed. We can fix it up later.&quot; Those were his exact words. ‘We can fix it up later.’ …
gohrtalmost 10 years ago
This story is an exception to Godwin&#x27;s Law.