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Causation without Correlation is Possible

25 pointsby IncidentalEconover 15 years ago

5 comments

protezover 15 years ago
No statistical method can prove causality. Also, there's no scientific method to confirm any one of causal relationships, either. Causality exists only in human mind. There's no methodic way to discern semipermanent coincidence (or identical equivalence) from causality.
zckover 15 years ago
&#62;Causation without correlation. ...Suppose the value of y is known to be caused by x. The true relationship between x and y is mediated by another factor, call it A, that takes values of +1 or -1 with equal probability. The true process relating x to y is y = Ax.<p>&#62;It is a simple matter to show that the correlation between x and y is zero. Perhaps the most intuitive way is to imagine many samples (observations) of x, y pairs. Over the sub-sample for which the pairs have the same sign (i.e. for which A happened to be +1) y=x and the correlation is 1. Over the sub-sample for which the pairs have the opposite signs (i.e. for which A happened to be -1) y=-x and the correlation is -1. Since A is +1 and -1 with equal probability, the contributions to the total correlation from the two sub-samples cancel, giving a total correlation of zero.<p>It seems to me that this doesn't quite make sense. Sure, the correlation of the average of the numbers is 0, but notice that |x - y| &#60;= |2x|, or that |y| = |x|. That seems like a rather large correlation to me, even though half the time, x and y are positively correlated, and the other half, they're negatively correlated.
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tokenadultover 15 years ago
The submitted article links out to a more scholarly article<p><a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/l787673gxg8425g6/fulltext.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.springerlink.com/content/l787673gxg8425g6/fulltex...</a><p>with diagrams about issues to consider in observational studies.<p>I always like to recommend Peter Norvig's article on interpreting research studies<p><a href="http://norvig.com/experiment-design.html" rel="nofollow">http://norvig.com/experiment-design.html</a><p>and in the medical context can also recommend Harriet Hall's lecture notes<p><a href="http://www.skepticstoolbox.org/hall/" rel="nofollow">http://www.skepticstoolbox.org/hall/</a><p>as examples of popular writings on research study interpretation that give vivid examples and bring up important issues.
PJNastyover 15 years ago
It would be wonderful if the first line were true. "It is well known that correlation does not prove causation."<p>Causality itself is hypothetical, an artifact of perception.
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carbocationover 15 years ago
Long story short: causation without correlation is possible if you are unable to adjust for confounding.
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