Grails 2 or Grails 3 ? Grails 3 at 130Mb bundling all of Gradle now as well as Groovy and Spring seems more like a integrated consulting product than a web framework. Better to have lightweight technologies that can be quickly glued together with a scripting language. Wasn't Groovy such a scripting language before its ex-Agile consultants changed their tune and started bundling it all together with a G2One/OCI sales pitch?