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Ronda Rousey fights like a statistical outlier

133 pointsby zabramowalmost 10 years ago

9 comments

bmeltonalmost 10 years ago
As someone who has trained in MMA extensively, &quot;the greats&quot; tend to be those who embody this for long whiles in their careers before eventually (and generally, inevitably) regressing to the mean.<p>Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, BJ Penn are all common names to MMA devotees (or at least were as recently as a few years ago) , and each of them share the same trait -- they win when they aren&#x27;t supposed to.<p>I&#x27;ve never been remotely as good as any of them (nor Ronda Rousey), but eventually, when you defy the statistics for long enough, you become looked at as a modern-day Superman. Anderson Silva, for example, ran a hugely long undefeated streak in which he not only bested his opponents, but often embarrassed them before suddenly falling off the mark twice, and to the same opponent.<p>As a result, he has fallen from grace as the once &quot;best pound for pound fighter in the world&quot; to almost average, depending on who you&#x27;re talking to. Regardless, his fight record[1] tells the story of a man who simply knows how to win, except against Chris Weidman, and as such, is worth fearing, despite being older than average and much, much better than average.<p>The point that I appear to be dancing around though, is that a guy on a 10-fight win streak seems invincible, while a guy on a 2-fight losing streak seems positively wimpy by comparison. Looking at the fighter&#x27;s record on the whole is probably the best gauge of their talent, but as your statistical record approaches the mean, so does the level of fear you might otherwise instill, commensurately.
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petegrifalmost 10 years ago
It is really fascinating how many people take seriously the idea that Rousey would be remotely competitive with ANY decently trained MMA fighter. She wouldn&#x27;t stand a chance. Period. End of story. Don&#x27;t go there. This is nothing to do with how skilled she is, how motivated she is, or her track record. She is a fantastic highly trained mentally strong athlete. But she&#x27;s not remotely strong enough to fight a trained man. Could she kick my ass? Absolutely. Could she kick your ass? Probably. But a trained guy? No! Emphatically not. With the best will in the world there are very real differences between the sexes that can&#x27;t be glossed over. It may be great marketing to present her as someone who could beat guys at MMA but it isn&#x27;t real.
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pokstadalmost 10 years ago
Rousey is also the daughter of an outlier. Her mom was the first female US Judo champion.
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Splendoralmost 10 years ago
She&#x27;s undoubtedly an outlier but I think that has more to do with the lack of parity in women&#x27;s MMA. Men&#x27;s MMA has had decades to reach it&#x27;s current level of competition so it seems unfair to plot the performance of Ronda against all of MMA.
sleazebreezealmost 10 years ago
Isn&#x27;t this basically the plot of Million Dollar Baby or Maximus&#x27;s first fights in Gladiator? The fighter in both movies wins all their fights very quickly. The difference is that in Gladiator, he is told to slow down and give the crowd a spectacle. In Million Dollar Baby, nobody wants to fight her without extra participation money.<p>I wonder what kind of pressure is being applied to Rousey by her manager, agent and fight organizers?
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BryanBeshorealmost 10 years ago
Rousey’s total cage time after 12 pro fights is 25 minutes and 36 seconds. She’s ended eight of her pro victories in less than one minute each.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mmajunkie.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;08&#x2F;ufc-190-post-fight-facts-ronda-rousey-into-uncharted-territory-in-just-ufc-six-fights" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mmajunkie.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;08&#x2F;ufc-190-post-fight-facts-ronda-...</a>
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zkhaliquealmost 10 years ago
Anna Kournikova also routinely beat people who had better technique in tennis. There is something to be said about indomitable willpower!
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adventuredalmost 10 years ago
&quot;Top male fighters are wary of facing her.&quot;<p>First of all, that&#x27;s false. Top male fighters, in an actual match, would injure her. It would not be entertaining, it would be almost disgustingly brutal. One need look no further than what Cristiane Justino - using performance enhancing drugs - did to her opponents, to understand. Pound for pound, top male fighters are going to be between 50% and 100% stronger than Ronda.<p>I&#x27;m curious when this fantasy is going to stop being promoted? It seems to commonly be in every thread about her, across every site.<p>Even more interesting, is to analyze the origins of it, why it exists, and why people feel the need to keep it going. I can&#x27;t decide if it&#x27;s mostly fetish (a male fantasy of being dominated physically), or something else entirely.
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ps4fanboyalmost 10 years ago
Why is HN increasingly turning into the front page of gender studies.
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