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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

886 pointspar S0yil y a 3 jours

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adamorsil y a 3 jours
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kochbil y a 3 jours
Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university.<p>&gt; In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”
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achristmascarlil y a 3 jours
I wonder what avenues there are for Harvard to challenge this; it looks like the mechanism the Trump Admin used was for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to cancel Harvard&#x27;s Student and Exchange Visitor Program (SEVP) certification [0] which is managed by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) [1].<p>Does ICE just have full discretion over SEVP? Can they do this to any school for whatever reason they want?<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dhs.gov&#x2F;news&#x2F;2025&#x2F;05&#x2F;22&#x2F;harvard-university-loses-student-and-exchange-visitor-program-certification-pro" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dhs.gov&#x2F;news&#x2F;2025&#x2F;05&#x2F;22&#x2F;harvard-university-loses...</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dhs.gov&#x2F;publication&#x2F;dhsicepia-001-student-exchange-visitor-information-system-sevis" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dhs.gov&#x2F;publication&#x2F;dhsicepia-001-student-exchan...</a>
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neilvil y a 3 jours
Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here?<p>I didn&#x27;t expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this.<p>Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence.<p>And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For example, getting things done with prestige connections, domestically and internationally. And the international diplomatic goodwill, when children of the world&#x27;s wealthy and powerful go to prestigious schools in the US.)<p>Is some other faction at work now, or is it the same people as before? Are the power networks changing? If the distribution of power is changing, is it partly due to someone willing to sacrifice national power from which all parties benefited (and everyone else wasn&#x27;t expecting that, or wasn&#x27;t ready to defend against that from within)? Better questions?
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duxupil y a 3 jours
Government policy in the form of personal grudges rather than law and good policy.
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ithkuilil y a 3 jours
The us government, using the appropriate mechanism like passing laws etc, can change the policies like they see fit.<p>However I don&#x27;t understand how it&#x27;s possible to single out a specific university.<p>Are there precedents for this kind of behaviour?
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remarkEonil y a 2 jours
Ctrl + F &quot;Yarvin&quot; only returns one comment. Kind of surprised, neutering Harvard&#x27;s power has been one of that guy&#x27;s main objectives for what feels like, well, forever at this point. He finally has his man.
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Rapzidil y a 3 jours
And when Harvard sues the administration will call on the over 1 billion in pro-bono &quot;fighting antisemitism&quot; legal work they extorted from the nations largest law firms.
arunabhail y a 2 jours
The truly depressing thing is, a <i>lot</i> of people are actually happy about this action. How did things get so bad, so quickly?<p>People who lived under authoritarian regimes have long said that things move slowly at first, but after an inflection point, get real bad, real fast. It&#x27;s one thing to understand that intellectually, quite another to witness it first hand.<p>Hopefully, the judiciary will block this particular madness, but then again, given the concerted effort over the past decade by Republicans to appoint right wing judges, the odds are not that great.
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ar813il y a 3 jours
If they can do this to Harvard, what hope do other universities have?
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sva_il y a 3 jours
&gt; <i>When a University’s SEVP certification is revoked, currently enrolled international students must choose between transferring to a different institution, changing their immigration status, or leaving the country, according to the Immigration and Customs Enforcement website.</i><p>It&#x27;s crazy they&#x27;re punishing tons of students who don&#x27;t even have anything to do with these protests
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legitsteril y a 3 jours
Anyone who thinks they are immune or on the &quot;good side&quot; of this political movement is naive. Harvard has cranked out plenty of powerful conservatives, but it doesn&#x27;t matter because their &quot;crime&quot; is that they have hurt the current administration&#x27;s feelings. This is going well beyond one party winning - this is a cult of personality.<p>History is repeating itself as a farce. It&#x27;s not wild speculation to guess what might happen if these actions continue unchecked. It&#x27;s education now, but it will be lawyers and judges next, and after that it will be leaders of tech and business. Anyone who brokers power.
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paxysil y a 3 jours
Harvard as an institution is older than the USA. It will survive 4 years of a lunatic&#x27;s presidency.
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cozzydil y a 3 jours
I wonder how many foreign heads of state have children at Harvard
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sgnelsonil y a 2 jours
This is Fascism. With a Capital F.
kitsune_il y a 3 jours
Insane how freely the US is giving away its status as a brain drain magnet (context: I&#x27;m European).
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omneeil y a 3 jours
Trump is acting in the manner of all previous authoritarians: What is good for him is what&#x27;s good for the country and the laws that align with this are proper, and those that do not will be ignored or changed where possible. The rule of law is anathema to authoritarians, and hence why they detest it. As individuals we might even feel the same about <i>some</i> laws. But in totality, the rule <i>of</i>, law and not <i>by</i> law is the foundation of our society, because its benefits are immense and usually taken for granted.
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djoldmanil y a 3 jours
I was curious how this could legally be done. It&#x27;s through this:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;studyinthestates.dhs.gov&#x2F;schools&#x2F;apply&#x2F;getting-started-with-sevp-certification" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;studyinthestates.dhs.gov&#x2F;schools&#x2F;apply&#x2F;getting-start...</a><p>As far as I can tell, the headlines are not quite accurate. From my reading, a more accurate description would be that one cannot obtain a student visa to go to Harvard.<p>So presumably, if someone could acquire legal residence in another way, they would be free to attend Harvard.
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RhysUil y a 3 jours
Does Harvard now start accepting individuals from the domestic student waitlist?
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inverted_flagil y a 3 jours
Remember when Trump said you should get a green card with your diploma? Wasn&#x27;t even a year ago:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;DKThomp&#x2F;status&#x2F;1925631602589151325#m" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;DKThomp&#x2F;status&#x2F;1925631602589151325#m</a>
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ivapeil y a 3 jours
I am going to get downvoted and flagged because I will bring up a topic that is not to be discussed here:<p>From a similar CNN article:<p><i>&quot;Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem ordered her department to terminate Harvard’s Student and Exchange Visitor Program certification, making good on a promise made last month when she demanded the university hand over detailed records on its international students’ “illegal and violent activities” before April 30 or face the loss of its certification.&quot;</i><p>Okay, who could they possibly be talking about? Right. The Gaza protesters.<p><i>Miriam Adelson - $150m donated to Trump, second highest</i><p>Elon Musk is not the only one that bought the White House. So there is a genocide that if any of us tech people had some courage we could easily make some pretty wild visualizations of the before&#x2F;after of Gaza maps, and the current full scale ethnic cleansing of it, but we can&#x27;t bring it up. We&#x27;re failing as tech people on this, but so is the whole world.
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dathinabil y a 3 jours
this is so absurd authoritarian<p>the core of free speech isn&#x27;t if you can insult officers or similar in the larger picture irrelevant things, but the freedom of teaching, education, books etc. And freedom doesn&#x27;t just means &quot;its theoretical possible&quot; but the absence of suppression, retaliatory actions and similar
insane_dreameril y a 3 jours
It&#x27;s not just enrolling new students:<p>&gt; In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”<p>So DHS revoked the visas for all existing students at Harvard? That doesn&#x27;t seem quite possible?<p>Doesn&#x27;t give them a timeline either.<p>The best and the brightest from around the world will prioritize top universities at other countries, and this will damage one of the US&#x27; biggest attractions and advantages.<p>Unbelievable.
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PaulHouleil y a 3 jours
As a staffer at Cornell and person who lives in the area, I worry most about losing students from mainland China. Whether this is an arbitrary Trumpism or the lid blows off in Taiwan matters little.
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markvdbil y a 3 jours
Wouldn&#x27;t it be easier for Harvard to move to where it can function as a university, instead of putting up with this? It&#x27;s not entirely unprecedented. See <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Central_European_University" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Central_European_University</a> .
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jacheeil y a 3 jours
Updated archive: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;UxKGi" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;UxKGi</a>
ChrisArchitectil y a 3 jours
Related story in The Crimson:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thecrimson.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;2025&#x2F;5&#x2F;23&#x2F;trump-admin-revokes-sevp&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thecrimson.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;2025&#x2F;5&#x2F;23&#x2F;trump-admin-rev...</a>
gverrillail y a 2 jours
Fascists.
bananapubil y a 3 jours
that&#x27;s underselling it - they&#x27;re also making it so <i>every single existing interrnational student</i> has to leave the US very soon, and in the meantime can be kidnapped by ICE.
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Terr_il y a 3 jours
So now the Presidency is punishing institutions that refuse to create and share spy-dossiers on what their adult students are using their free-speech for.<p>In the last three months, we&#x27;ve collected many data points which are each each further down a slope. I suggest the slope is slippery, and has a very unfortunate end.<p>__________<p>[Edit] Predicting a future that might resonate more with YC folks: &quot;Pursuant to Trump Executive Order XYZ, you must submit regular firewall logs and social-media handles for activity by your staff. Failure to comply will result in losing the ability to post H1-B positions.&quot;
oldpersonintx2il y a 3 jours
<i>DHS said that in addition to barring enrollment of future international students, “existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”</i><p>damn, Trump is really gunning for Harvard<p>not sure what rolling over for Trump looks like, but a lot of existing foreign students will be screwed unless something gives
nateburkeil y a 3 jours
Baron is at NYU, Malia got the big envelope...
philip1209il y a 3 jours
So much for &quot;law and order&quot; - this is about sycophancy toward an authoritarian who chooses his own rules.
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ReptileManil y a 3 jours
Trump was elected roughly on 3 issues - economy, immigration and culture war.<p>So he has to deliver at least on two to have meaningful legacy. Because of the idiocy around tariffs - the economy at the midterms will be at best slightly above where he got it. So it leaves immigration and culture war. The border crossings are way down - so halfway there, but deporting meaningful numbers will be hard. Which means that he must deliver on the third issue big. So probably he will continue to bash the soft targets and the institutions that are perceived to be left leaning.
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woggyil y a 3 jours
I don&#x27;t see the US surviving the Trump administration.
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tantaloril y a 3 jours
TRO in 5, 4, 3...
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FilosofumRexil y a environ 19 heures
Almost a 1,000 comments and no mention of Penny Pritzker &amp; family&#x27;s dominance of Harvard and the long running feud with Trump.<p>HN is doing a great job disinforming its readers:<p>“They attacked me when I was down,” Trump told the Chicago Tribune that year. “Now I’m doing great again and it’s my turn. I always said, the first time I got back on my feet, the Pritzkers would be the first people I’d go after.”<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;edition.cnn.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;05&#x2F;06&#x2F;us&#x2F;penny-pritzker-harvard-board-trump" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;edition.cnn.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;05&#x2F;06&#x2F;us&#x2F;penny-pritzker-harvard...</a><p>&quot;The Pritzkers and Hyatt are no strangers to litigation. In 1978 the Securities and Exchange Commission found that the Pritzkers had used Hyatt to engage in “self-dealing” to the detriment of shareholders.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chicagotribune.com&#x2F;1993&#x2F;07&#x2F;29&#x2F;out-to-trump-the-pritzkers&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chicagotribune.com&#x2F;1993&#x2F;07&#x2F;29&#x2F;out-to-trump-the-p...</a>
howard941il y a 3 jours
Another day, different shit. This is what flooding the zone means.
graycatil y a environ 21 heures
&gt; Trump administration halts Harvard&#x27;s ability to enroll international students<p>Sounds catastrophic!<p>Ah, at no risk are the books and papers, the famous research professors, and their late grad students, and apparently in simple terms (except for just money), that&#x27;s about all such a university cares about.<p>So, not much of a catastrophe! Only partially sarcastic!
tim333il y a 2 jours
I was curious why they are attacking Harvard. I&#x27;m a Brit so not very up on US stuff. Googling came up with:<p>&gt;The right-wing conspiracy behind Trump’s war on Harvard<p>&gt;Back in 2021, far-right blogger Curtis Yarvin, who supports abolishing American democracy and replacing it with a dictatorship...<p>&gt;...“the real power centers” in the US — the elite media and academic institutions exemplified by “Harvard and the New York Times” — would fight back.<p>&gt;“That’s right,” Yarvin agreed. “That’s why, basically, you can’t continue to have a Harvard or a New York Times past the start of April.” <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vox.com&#x2F;politics&#x2F;409600&#x2F;trump-harvard-rufo-yarvin-grants-nonprofit-tax-exempt" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vox.com&#x2F;politics&#x2F;409600&#x2F;trump-harvard-rufo-yarvi...</a><p>Not sure if that is what&#x27;s behind it?
HEmanZil y a 3 jours
I feel US higher education, which brain drains the rest of the world, is easily one of the best strategic advantages it could have for the next 100 years.<p>Let’s throw that all away because learning is liberal.
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NoImmatureAdHomil y a 2 jours
I worked there for years, still spend a lot of time there, and therefore know a lot of people who either are or were there. Many people associated with the University are pretty happy about it getting smacked down.<p>Shameless, wrong, and overtly illegal discrimination on the basis of race, sex, and creed, suppression of free speech, even the compelling of speech have all been de rigeur for Harvard for the past decade.<p>I just wish they would use a scalpel rather than a sledge hammer.<p>The University (and many other universities) has been engaging in overtly illegal discrimination on the basis of sex, race, and creed in hiring, grants, and I&#x27;m sure many other areas. There were many job postings where the CVs of white men were never looked at, because of their skin color and sex. There were many grant-funded opportunities (often federally-funded) where a white man, or a man, or a straight person would not have a chance because of those characteristics. Oh, and I should mention &quot;diversity statements&quot;, now called &quot;belonging statements&quot;. These are political tests: regardless of your skin color and genitals, if you don&#x27;t sing the right political song you have no chance. This was a first line assessment at many places (e.g., UC Berkeley). This was all overt in that it was openly talked about, people would send emails to the effect &quot;this job opening must go to a brown woman&quot;, etc. People generally, somehow, even Americans, didn&#x27;t understand it was illegal. I would be greeted with quizzical looks if I enlightened them! (in casual conversation, of course, never officially!). This is all for hiring and similar. Students are different, and since the end of affirmative action Harvard has still been doing everything it can to continue discriminating against e.g. East Asians and Whites, which is of course illegal.<p>You risked losing your job for expressing an uncool belief (e.g., Carole Hooven: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mindingthecampus.org&#x2F;2024&#x2F;02&#x2F;15&#x2F;carole-hooven-wh" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mindingthecampus.org&#x2F;2024&#x2F;02&#x2F;15&#x2F;carole-hooven-wh</a>...). Of course, they will try to force you to resign before actually firing you, which would leave open the possibility of legal problems. This may be a sort of &quot;why not, it&#x27;s a small thing, just say it&quot; to a chemist, but to an endocrinologist or social scientist it can be intolerable.<p>Compelled speech was on the table, too, which is a bright line we have so far, as a society, have managed not to cross. Harvard and other elite universities were crossing it, and the Biden admin&#x27;s Title IX rules overtly crossed it (by forcing you to use someone&#x27;s preferred pronouns). A bad look, to put it mildly.
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josefritzishereil y a 3 jours
I find Trump&#x27;s behavior to be incoherent. In some quarters he&#x27;s virtually an anarcho-capitalist. In others, like this, he&#x27;s anti-capitalist, intensely regulating a private business for no actual benefit.
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scoofyil y a 3 jours
If you are a Republican and didn’t sign up for this, can you please write your representatives about impeachment? This is getting ridiculous. We’d be much better off with a president Vance.
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beardywil y a 3 jours
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jleyankil y a 3 jours
What will the HN crowd do when Y Combinator&#x27;s banned from foreign participants?
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apercuil y a 3 jours
If you voted for this admin, please go get your own flag and give me mine back.
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Braxton1980il y a 3 jours
I get flak for hating Republican voters with the general feeling of most people being that voters are not responsible for the officials THEY elected to represent them.<p>I still haven&#x27;t found a valid argument for why a voter isn&#x27;t held responsible for the actions of representatives. Especially if the actions would be likely to occur.
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angrytechieil y a 3 jours
As always, a reminder that this administration has Silicon Valley money and people up and down its roster. The founders should refuse to take money from the VCs that support this regime, and the engineers should refuse to work for portfolio companies. Things will change quite rapidly if that becomes the norm.
gigatexalil y a 3 jours
Trump: I’m dumb and want to make everyone else dumb too so I can be the smartest among the dumb dumbs. I know! I’ll prevent the best and brightest from abroad who pay full tuition to attend the best American universities because I’m a xenophobe. I’m so smart!<p>MAGA destroying universities smh.
RickJWagneril y a 2 jours
What could be in the records that Harvard doesn’t want to share?
lenerdenatoril y a 3 jours
In a fight between two morally dubious parties, why can&#x27;t both lose?<p>And yes, Harvard is <i>absolutely</i> a morally dubious institution. Less morally dubious than Trump&#x27;s movement is, but still.
snvzzil y a 2 jours
Reminder every international student that attends Harvard is a national one that cannot.<p>Trump is simply saying let&#x27;s focus on our own people.
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harvard1il y a 2 jours
Harvard is a hedge fund. Hopefully they&#x27;ll be more honest about it going forward as their university activities get more restricted - they won&#x27;t be worse for wear.
j_timberlakeil y a 2 jours
Academia let itself get too political these last 10 years and deserved some kind of reckoning for it, yet somehow this manages to be so shameless that it makes academia look like the good guys standing up to an oppressive regime.<p>Which means Harvard leadership actually has more reputation to gain by fighting this than by backing down, very similar to all those tariffed countries.
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