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Ask HN: Conversational AI to Learn a Language

84 포인트작성자: edweis8일 전
Hi all,<p>I want to learn Dutch and by experience I know I learn better when talking with native speakers.<p>From your experience, is there a good AI I can converse with in Dutch? It would be even better if I could see the transcription in Dutch.<p>Gliglish (https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gliglish.com) looks good but is more for speaking than for learning. I&#x27;d like to be able to set a situation (negotiating a job offer, calling a supplier ...).

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jc4p4일 전
Hi! I have a WIP of this over at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;talktrainer.app&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;talktrainer.app&#x2F;</a> -- I just added Dutch to it.<p>It uses OpenAI&#x27;s realtime API to simulate either a tutoring session (the speaker will revert to English to help you) or a first date or business meeting (the speaker will always speak the target language)<p>You can see the AI&#x27;s transcriptions but not your own, limitation of the current OpenAI API but definitely something I can fix.<p>The prompts are like this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;jc4p&#x2F;d8b9d121425ec191d62602d8720eeed1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;jc4p&#x2F;d8b9d121425ec191d62602d8720eeed...</a> and the rest of it is a Nextjs app wrapped around the WebRTC connection.<p>I&#x27;m not fully in love with the app so I&#x27;d love any feedback or hearing if it works well for you -- It doesn&#x27;t have a lot of features yet (including saving context) and if you bump into the time limit just open it up in incognito to keep going.
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dankwizard6일 전
If you have a ChatGPT subscription, set up your own GPT with prompting around your level, how you want it to respond, how to correct mistakes etc. Then you can use it for anything - Generate tests based on words you know, roleplay like ordering in a restaurant, write stories and have it correct grammar.<p>This is what I have to supplement my Chinese and it is incredibly helpful.<p>Look at the comments already - Everyone is building a simple wrapper to do this very thing but charge you $20 per month for the privelege. These are souless, most likely vibe coded garbage. Avoid.
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herewulf4일 전
I&#x27;ve been using Univerbal happily with Italian. Dutch is one of its 20 languages. Worth noting that it&#x27;s a paid app but seems to have a lot of polish. I found out about it on HN so I&#x27;m sure you can look up discussions to get more opinions on it (though it&#x27;s quite frequently updated).<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.univerbal.app">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.univerbal.app</a>
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kelseyfrog4일 전
I use ChatGPT&#x27;s conversation mode to supplement my language learning (A2&#x2F;B1-ish French and 1hr&#x2F;wk 1-on-1 tutor). I tend to use it in the car, just asking about random facts or ideas or playing 20-questions.<p>The format forces me to just use my voice and listening skills - in other words, I&#x27;m forced to not touch my phone. It&#x27;s also rather challenging because I&#x27;m doing two things at once and the hope is that I won&#x27;t actually spend much brain power overthinking my responses - something I tend to do if I was talking to myself instead which typically turns into more of a rehearsal format.
redsh4일 전
I&#x27;m trying to solve the problem of unlimited conversation practice for various languages with &quot;CallAnnie&quot;, an iOS&#x2F;android app with various kind of AI friends, powered by real time voice and avatars.<p>The interface is specifically made for advanced learners that want to simulate a conversation as close as possible to a real one (in terms of latency and without pushing any button). Learning to respond fast in a new language is important, so we&#x27;re trying to keep a natural pace.<p>We support audio or video-calling the characters (with subtitle translations), guided conversations and we recently added mini games to learn vocabulary.<p>You can see a quick intro and demo video here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sixthtone.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;1013961" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sixthtone.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;1013961</a><p>We don&#x27;t have a Dutch speaking character in the default character list, but you can follow this link <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;app.callannie.ai&#x2F;a&#x2F;mhLnHflAyf1Ygb0D0wm6" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;app.callannie.ai&#x2F;a&#x2F;mhLnHflAyf1Ygb0D0wm6</a> after installing the app to use a custom character speaking Dutch (or you can create a custom character).<p>If you&#x27;d like to try it, check out: callannie.ai . I would love to get your feedback (here or francesco a t callannie.ai) and suggestions - we&#x27;re trying to solve this speaking practice use case.
ajabhish4일 전
Our Voice AI Agent makes it extremely simple and engaging to learn new language - create card dynamically, asks multiple-choice-questions, uses diagrams, does role play ...<p>Demo: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=2iSIVnLR-nM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=2iSIVnLR-nM</a> Website: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;app.toughtongueai.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;app.toughtongueai.com&#x2F;</a>
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hiAndrewQuinn8일 전
I&#x27;m learning Finnish. For the most part, Gemini and ChatGPT do a much better job at generating passable if sightly Internet-inflected Finnish than I&#x27;m likely to anyway within the next 5 years, so I just talk with those.<p>I would imagine Dutch to be in the same camp, unless a native Dutch speaker reviews some of your conversations and tells you otherwise. My native Finnish wife has given me the marginal all-clear with the vanilla models.
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ycombinatornews4일 전
I’m building <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;instantlyfluent.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;instantlyfluent.com</a>, a small project to help people and myself practice languages before travel. It works through voice or text chats with AI.<p>I tried Gliglish but didn’t like how it was structured. So I started turning my own “learn a language before a trip” routine into something easier to use.<p>Dutch is not supported yet, and there are still some rough edges. But the idea is simple: help people remember words by using them. You say or type something, and get a reply you can hear or read.<p>In conversations on IF, there is no fixed path. You can start with a topic, then ask to switch to something else. It’s meant to be low-pressure and flexible.<p>Still figuring things out. Happy to share more or hear from others working on similar tools.
aphronio4일 전
I am working on a telegram bot for this <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;t.me&#x2F;FriendFluentBot" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;t.me&#x2F;FriendFluentBot</a> - It doesn&#x27;t support dutch yet but i can add it.<p>I am a pakistani living in germany and married into a turkish family.The main purpose for making this is to help myself and family to communicate with each other. I still haven&#x27;t landed on a magic approach to learn language in 7 days. But this bot is for having human like conversations about anything. It&#x27;ll remember your past history as well as what you have already talked about to keep the natural flow.<p>Audio messages are still a work in progress. Will be added by the end of the day.<p>Any feedback would be appreciated as it is still in very early stages.
nosioptar4일 전
I tried Spanish (I don&#x27;t know Dutch at all) with Claude via duck.ai.<p>I immediately had to correct it. (My Spanish is limited to a half a semester 20 something years ago and season 1 of Community.) I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;d be confident that I&#x27;d learn accurately from an AI.
demarq3일 전
Gemini does a perfect job of this.<p>&quot;I am currently learning Dutch. I would like to play out a scenario where I am a customer who has just arrived at a restaurant, and you are the waiter.<p>Throughout this scenario, let&#x27;s talk in Dutch. Only speak in English when offering suggestions or corrections. My goal is to sound more natural. &quot;
entwife4일 전
I have used TalkPal for Catalan. I found it slightly superior to ChatGPT, especially, I find the feedback about performance, daily&#x2F;weekly summary emails, the suggested responses, and the gamified experience to be motivating. The conversations use voice and text input, and audio and text output. I believe they also have a Dutch version.<p>It is not quite what you are looking for, but I also liked Lingoclip for both Catalan and Spanish. I had exceptional difficulty training my ear to distinguish speech sounds, so recognizing words in song lyrics was helpful.
muzani7일 전
I&#x27;ve been setting up Vapi.ai for this. Written and spoken are different skills. It comes down cheaper than an actual teacher, and it has the patience to correct you.
nodezero3일 전
I&#x27;m trying to configure step by step a custom GPT and a learning project and use the voice mode to practice small phrases and it helps me with grammar.<p>This is the initial query I defined:<p>You are my expert mentor supporting my process to learn French You are assigned to design an execute a development program to increase the level of your students<p>You are tasked to investigate and apply the methods proving huge results in short periods of time<p>The typical book from school with structured situations that tries to divide the topics into food, going to the toilet or asking something by phone is not preferred unless there&#x27;s significant evidence that such approach is working<p>Focus on highlighting and creating methods to learn the most used words and grammatical structures<p>Think with a 80 &#x2F; 20 approach. What can I do the 20% of the time leading to 80% of the results<p>About your student:<p>Already speaking French but pronunciation can be significantly improve The student is native Spanish speaker and also speaks English (advanced) Grammar and knowledge of grammatical structure does also needs improvements so he&#x2F;she can speak French at a professional level<p>Not scientifically proved but it looks like your student acquires better the language by learning a few words, listening, listening, listening and then repeating on real life conversations &#x2F; communication. The problem with this approach is that for languages like French where the writing differs the pronunciation, the improvement of the student is limited, it does not learn how to properly write the language<p>Particularly for French, the student won a big amount of vocabulary by constantly listening a podcast called &quot;Small talk in slow French by Nagise&quot;<p>Your mission:<p>- Make an investigation about what could be an ideal way to learn an present your report - Include platforms or material that could be used to support the study process - Write a prompt to create a custom GPT that supports the learning process following the criteria defined on your investigation. The student will use the voice mode, images and text on the GPT as part of its training process and the GPT should be there to assist when needed and to track the progress and areas in need of improvement<p>Take your time and provide first class and high level results, think of you as the most regarded expert on the sector. Executing this task will profoundly help a young professional<p>Is the description of the task clear?
billylo7일 전
I added a Practice Mode in my speech-to-speech translator app 3PO. It allows you to practise talking with chatGPT and gets assessment score on your accuracy.<p>Topic is preset. (chatGPT plays the role of a travel guide to help you find places to go in Holland (for Dutch))<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;3po.evergreen-labs.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;3po.evergreen-labs.org</a>
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daviddragan14일 전
@jeffwass why would anyone want to learn Romanian ..no but seriously buckle up because it&#x27;s the most irregular language ever with weird expressions and when you ask why something is gramatically how it is you&#x27;ll hear &quot;idk it just sounds better&quot; so get ready for that
brunorsini4일 전
Try <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.issen.com">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.issen.com</a> (YC company).
edmondmc9004일 전
I didn&#x27;t try to learn Dutch. But I have used AI for learning Spanish. From my experience, they can guide and teach you the &quot;School Spanish&quot; perfectly. However, they cannot teach you slangs and conversational Spanish.
trod1234약 12시간 전
When vetting how useful answers are, I and most reasonably intelligent people always pay most attention to the answers that are negative because you typically learn something that helps you better able to approach the problem even if it doesn&#x27;t solve the problem which you are intending to solve.<p>Looking over this post, there&#x27;s a problem here. Where are the posts that disagree? That are negative but provide constructive criticism, the very thing that provides value.<p>I see 62 replies here, and this isn&#x27;t a new question, and there are many caveats which easily come to my mind when learning languages, and yet no ones saying a thing. It begs some serious questions about the environment you are asking in.<p>OP, I would suggest that before wasting your time listening to yes-people, you need some not-so-nice answers for perspective if you really want to solve that problem in an expedient way.<p>That should necessarily include can AI solve that problem for you really? What are the risks of learning language improperly in a professional environment where reputation is important? What are the risks of improperly conveying meaning you didn&#x27;t intend?, and so forth; you get the gist of the line of questions you should naturally come up with when seeking the truth of things.<p>I&#x27;m reminded of all the Japanese anime fans that pick up phrases without understanding the meaning, which is what you are learning to convey when you learn a langauge: like men using watashi (instead of boku), using improper honorifics (-kun, -sama, diajo, aniki), and other aspects that while cute in an entertainment show reflect very poorly on the person if conveyed in reality.
enceladus064일 전
I am learning French &amp; have tried ChatGPT with advanced voice mode. Are there other tools that are better than default GPT?
achempion7일 전
I’m making fluent.im, it has situations with goals for each conversation, and we’re about to ship lessons based on your favorite podcast content.
throwaway2904일 전
&gt; I want to learn Dutch and by experience I know I learn better when talking with native speakers.<p>If you are learning Dutch to talk to native speakers then why don&#x27;t you talk to native speakers. You clearly plan to find actual people to talk to at some point right? So go ahead and do it
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chrchr4일 전
Any of those &quot;AI companion&quot; apps can do this very well, or so I have read!
ThomasBb4일 전
NotebookLM now supports Dutch - So you could load up some content of interest and &#x27;join the studio&#x27; to talk with the hosts - I imagine that might be useful and fun.
TaskNinja4일 전
Im not sure in Dutch... But recommends starting with chatgpt until find a good product.