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An Ex-Cop's War on Lie Detectors

144 点作者 new1234567将近 10 年前

14 条评论

JamesBarney将近 10 年前
The most despicable use of lie detectors I've ever seen was on the Dr. Phil show. Dr. Phil asked a man who cheated on his wife whether he diddled his kids while he was hooked up to a lie detector. He answered no but obviously a question that is as emotionally charged at that will appear as a lie. This man's relationship with his family, friends and probably any future work relationships were all ruined by a stupid magic trick. The man turned to Dr. Phil and the the former FBI agent who administered the polygraph and start pleading and begging for any reason why the lie detector would give a false positive. Dr. Phil and the former FBI agent were smart enough to know why it wasn't working but they continued be evasive as the man's past and future relationships with his children, family, friend, and coworkers went up in flames.
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sandworm101将近 10 年前
It seems to me that the intelligence communicate uses lie detectors less as tests for nefarious activities and more as personality tests.<p>Let&#x27;s assume that lie detectors actually work. To &quot;pass&quot; such a test you have to be reasonably certain about your answers. Have you ever passed information to the enemy: Yes&#x2F;No? Is everything in your application truthful? Only some people can be completely secure about there answers. The more knowledge and experience a person has in an area, the more the likelihood that they cannot give that yes&#x2F;no answer. So what they get is a bunch of young, mostly male, kids who are not the type to self examine. They are sure that they are correct, that they have done no wrong. That infeed might explain much of the direction that the community has taken in recent years.
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rl3将近 10 年前
Since fMRIs are likely the future for this type of thing, this is probably the most disturbing job posting I&#x27;ve ever seen:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.acfei.com&#x2F;forensic_services&#x2F;jobsearch&#x2F;job-236170.xhtml" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.acfei.com&#x2F;forensic_services&#x2F;jobsearch&#x2F;job-236170....</a><p>-<p><i>Title: PhD COGNITIVE NEUROPSYCHOLOGISTS<p>Date Posted: 05&#x2F;03&#x2F;2012 [...]<p>[...] seeking contract physiologists to provide technical expertise in central nervous system (CNS) studies related to credibility assessment. [...]<p>Candidates will provide expertise in the use of CNS technologies such as functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), [...]<p>A Top Secret security clearance is highly desirable. Candidates without a security clearance who possess superior qualifications may be processed for the required USG security clearance before commencing work.</i>
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e40将近 10 年前
If it is true that it&#x27;s no better than a coin flip, shame on everyone for using it.<p>And, the idea that a good citizen with a conscience will give a &quot;bad&quot; response easier than a hardened criminal certainly rings true.
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song将近 10 年前
I really dislike entrapment based sting operations. The way they trapped him with those two undercover agents and use that to show that he would have aided a criminal stinks... It&#x27;s not the actions of a just judicial system.
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failbuffer将近 10 年前
Wilson reminds me somewhat of right-to-die advocate Dr. Kevorkian, in that the passion of his advocacy eventually led him to cross some bright red lines. Kevorkian assisted several chronically-ill patients with their suicides, and juries repeatedly let him off the hook because of the patients&#x27; videotaped testimonials expressing their suffering and desire to control how they died. Eventually, though, Jack took it to far and injected a patient himself (instead of waiting for them to push the button), and got sent to prison at age 70.<p>Maybe the lines weren&#x27;t quite so bright red with Williams, but that pushing and pushing to the point where you lose sight of the bigger picture seems characteristic of many &quot;solo&quot; advocates (expanding the word &quot;solo&quot; to include not just loners but maybe also founders of non-profits who don&#x27;t give up the leadership reigns, like Stallman at FSF).<p>By contrast, really great advocates can look beyond their cause and keep the wider world in perspective. Nelson Mandela is a good example of this (since he focused on uniting post-apartheid South Africa instead of seeking vengeance on the White gentry like his wife and many others wanted to do).
JDeArte将近 10 年前
Penn&amp;Teller Bullshit episode on Polygraphs <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=bScv6kfxRyE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=bScv6kfxRyE</a>
mc32将近 10 年前
Why don&#x27;t agencies use fMRI instead of something as unreliable and questionable and discredited as polygraphs?<p>I&#x27;m not sure you&#x27;d use fmri as widely as polygraphs are today, but maybe for targeted investigation they&#x27;d be a useful tool?<p>There are claims of up to 90% accuracy[1] while not perfect, are better than polys.<p>[1]<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scientificamerican.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;new-lie-detector&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scientificamerican.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;new-lie-detector&#x2F;</a>
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glandium将近 10 年前
<i>If you’re looking for something that only occurs one-tenth of 1 percent of the time, running a test that’s 90 percent accurate doesn’t help you.</i><p>Also known as the false positive paradox. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;False_positive_paradox" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;False_positive_paradox</a>
arprocter将近 10 年前
&quot;a startup called Converus has developed an exam based on eye movement and pupil dilation&quot;<p>Philip K. Dick has the prior art
barking将近 10 年前
They have no evidence the guy actually aided a criminal yet he&#x27;s facing jail.<p>Is America the only first world country where such an extraordinary thing is possible?
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Sideloader将近 10 年前
It seems they busted Williams based on the bogus stories provided by the DHS guy and the deputy sheriff used to set him up. Both &quot;admitted&quot; they broke the law and Williams, knowing this, continued to help them. Had he turned them away could this have turned out differently I wonder?<p>Personally, I think polygraphs whether used as lie detectors or &quot;personality tests&quot; should be illegal and have no place in a modern society except perhaps in a museum.
tripzilch将近 10 年前
I read that the data in the stolen OPM records also contains polygraph data.<p>I wonder that if, say the US would decide to retaliate and steal similar data from China, they would find records with I-Ching readings? :-)
RA_Fisher将近 10 年前
And soon it appears he&#x27;ll be a political prisoner. :-(