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Capitalists, Arise: We Need to Deal With Income Inequality

32 点作者 kareemm将近 10 年前

12 条评论

MrTonyD将近 10 年前
Am I supposed to take the article seriously? A rich guy suggesting that the first thing to do to solve the 1% having 50% of our wealth is &quot;Government can provide tax incentives to business&quot;. It made me think of the quote from John Kenneth Galbraith.&quot;It is a strange idea that the rich work better if they constantly get richer, while the poor just work better if they get poorer&quot;.<p>We need to stop incentivizing the rich - they have been incentivized for too long already.
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ctdonath将近 10 年前
Stop taxing away so much income. Resolve the entitlements cliff that makes earning more than $12&#x2F;hr untenable until breaking even at $38&#x2F;hr. Back off the regulations that make inexpensive living practically illegal. Help people relocate out of high cost of living areas (NY Times location take note). Slash the red tape making business startups near impossible. Squelch the tort, liability, insurance and other laws making risk costs overwhelming.<p>You can&#x27;t fix social problems by demanding capitalism be socialism.
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cottonseed将近 10 年前
&quot;I’m scared. ... the income gap will most likely be resolved in one of two ways: by major social unrest or through oppressive taxes, such as the 80 percent tax rate on income over $500,000&quot;<p>I stopped reading here. Try again. Current top income tax rates are insanely slow by historical standards. They were 90% in the 40s and 50s and 70% in the 70s [0]<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;taxfoundation.org&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;docs&#x2F;fed_individual_rate_history_nominal.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;taxfoundation.org&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;docs&#x2F;fed_indivi...</a>
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tempestn将近 10 年前
I was recently having a conversation with some friends about what major technological changes we might see in the future. The idea was that when these changes happen, they tend to alter society in ways that couldn&#x27;t easily have been predicted beforehand. It would have been hard to imagine the ubiquity of the internet or smartphones in our lives before they existed. So what could the next major change be? Self-driving cars on the scale where manual driving is illegal on city streets perhaps? That actually isn&#x27;t too hard to envision. Something else?<p>One thought that came out of that is that a major change I would love to see, although not a technological one, is for a major economy to implement a workable guaranteed basic income. It&#x27;s been a popular subject on HN, and does seem to be starting to gain traction in the &#x27;real world&#x27;. While obviously there are issues to solve, it&#x27;s something I see as really having a chance of working. _Something_ will have to happen to address the growing inequality as technology keeps moving us closer to a post-scarcity society, and a basic income seems to fit the bill.<p>Or perhaps it will be something else. But some kind of a transition to a post-scarcity society seems inevitable at _some_ point if the human race survives long enough, so maybe significant strides in that direction will be made in our lifetimes. It would certainly be exciting.
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DickingAround将近 10 年前
This all just beats around the bush. What&#x27;s killing incomes for some and raising others is automation. One day soon, the only asset people are born with (minds and bodies) will be essentially zero value. Until now, everyone has at least that asset and now they won&#x27;t.<p>That might imply we need guaranteed income. And maybe we do. But if that&#x27;s coming from the government, remember who we&#x27;re talking about; they lie to start wars, they&#x27;re replete with corruption. If we ask the government to redistribute out wealthy, they&#x27;ll redistribute it to their friends. The power to take everyone&#x27;s money is too tempting for anyone to have.
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yummyfajitas将近 10 年前
This article is incoherent. Title discusses income inequality, then 13 paragraphs discussing issues which are completely orthogonal to inequality (mobility, &quot;poverty&quot; and overconsumption). The article never actually addresses inequality at all.<p>Then it starts comparing unrelated statistics (productivity and wages) and cribbing about how they diverge, and ignoring the real cause (the rise of non-wage benefits) for the divergence.<p>Finally, it devolves into random peripheral solutions like reducing share buybacks. Because somehow it&#x27;ll be good for America if Qualcomm can&#x27;t return money to shareholders to invest in Tesla? I guess it&#x27;s better for CEO&#x27;s to spend profits on empire building than for investors to seek returns?<p>Why is this nonsense here?
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Mz将近 10 年前
<i>We business leaders know what to do. But do we have the will to do it? Are we willing to control the excessive greed so prevalent in our culture today and divert resources to better education and the creation of more opportunity?</i><p>I think we need to wrestle with the fact that the world has changed and education and credentialing are different things. Education and information can be made available to large numbers of people for very little money via the Internet. It doesn&#x27;t get you a status-y sheepskin, but that doesn&#x27;t always matter.<p>This new reality requires a new approach to sharing the wealth. I don&#x27;t know what exactly that will look like, but I am confident that we need to hammer that out.<p><i>The fact that real wages have been flat for about four decades, while productivity has increased by 80 percent, shows that has not been happening. Before the early 1970s, wages and productivity were both rising. Now most gains from productivity go to shareholders, not employees.</i><p>This is a serious problem and needs to be clearly addressed.<p><i>There is a way to start. Government can provide tax incentives to business to pay more to employees making $80,000 or less. The program would exist for three to five years and then be evaluated for effectiveness.</i><p>I have my doubts that this is the way to address it.<p>Generally speaking, poverty solutions that start by trying to help &#x27;poor&#x27; people are dead ends that do not work. A more oblique approach, that defines the problem in other terms, is usually more effective.
doubt_me将近 10 年前
Reminds me of this Ted Talk from 2014<p>Nick Hanauer: Beware, fellow plutocrats, the pitchforks are coming<p>www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;nick_hanauer_beware_fellow_plutocrats_the_pitchforks_are_coming
thetopher将近 10 年前
Excuse my ignorance, but I have an honest question. I assume that income inequality can be approximated by measuring the difference between the income of a certain group of high-earners and a certain group of low-earners. If the income of the low-earners is increased by mandate then wouldn&#x27;t the entire system, over time, adjust upward? Wouldn&#x27;t the difference between the two groups (income inequality) remain the same?
adventured将近 10 年前
Ok, let&#x27;s deal with the root cause of why income inequality soared from 1995-2015:<p>The Federal Reserve debased the dollar, paying for wars, terrible government spending choices and entitlements that are ballooning. They also spurred numerous asset bubbles through bad policy choices. It&#x27;s entirely understood that the Fed can cause asset bubbles by holding interest rates too low for too long. They&#x27;ve been aggressively using that understanding for the last six years.<p>The rich can deal with the dollar losing half of its value in a decade. Nobody else can. The rich have capital, and make a lot of money on the Fed&#x27;s intentional asset bubbles in real estate and stocks. The S&amp;P 500 - and the wealthy who own most of it - benefits massively from a debased dollar, as their exports boom - while most of America suffers from a vast loss of purchasing power.<p>The end of the strong dollar of the 1990s, is what began the era of dramatically increased inequality. It&#x27;s not a coincidence. The currency race to the bottom, is really code for a decimation of the median standard of living. This is especially true in a country that consumes so much of its own manufacturing.<p>Debasing the dollar and sending commodities soaring benefited a very small group of people (Saudi Arabia, Canada, Australia, Norway, commodity investors). Who it didn&#x27;t benefit: US manufacturing that is consumed domestically. The oil price boom of the mid 2000&#x27;s, caused by the weak dollar, also harmed the US dramatically as deficits soared and the Middle East got uber rich. It acted as a huge wealth transfer to Canada as well.<p>The soaring inequality was caused by the Fed&#x27;s horrendous, and repetitive monetary policy mistakes. You&#x27;ll find people on the left go out of their way to evade ever pinning any blame to the Fed (it makes the welfare state possible through deficits and debt, so they love the Fed), and the people on the right don&#x27;t want to talk about inequality at all.<p>What did QE accomplish? Primarily it reinflated wealthy people&#x27;s balance sheets, and reinflated the housing market (which disproportionately benefits the top half in the US). The median net wealth of Americans still hasn&#x27;t recovered, even with housing and stocks so high. Skeptics will claim QE helped to heal the economy, generate jobs and so on - as though the US economy didn&#x27;t do that on its own for 200 years prior to the Fed utilizing QE.
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astrocyte将近 10 年前
I&#x27;d like to strike at the core of this ...<p>Why is that every such time a system is extorted&#x2F;exploited to the point of disaster, the same individuals who pushed it to that point then want to say &#x27;We need to deal with the problem&#x27;.. The problem they very well and knowingly created.. And they never speak up before this point.. It&#x27;s only after they&#x27;ve sucked every last drop out of the system.. And Oh&#x27; b.t.w:<p>&gt; lets not solve it by fixing the exploits that created the problem in the first place<p>&gt; lets not go after the individuals who exploited it the most and their gains<p>Lets solve it by :<p>&gt; extorting&#x2F;exploiting the income of everybody<p>&gt; Putting a band-aid on the problem<p>&gt; And Oh&#x27;, btw, lets put the people who created the disaster in charge of administering the program<p>Is this supposed to be a joke? And why does society fall for it every-time?<p>And I like how socialism is being promoted as a solution while the very same jokers who decimated American culture&#x2F;free market capitalism are pumping in illegals by the boatloads. It&#x27;s as if they&#x27;re already prepping to tank&#x2F;exploit the next system that gets paraded as a solution. Yeah, so there&#x27;s not enough jobs and the jobs there are don&#x27;t pay enough because we allow corporations and individuals to extort the crap out of everything a person needs. So, lets ignore all of that and have :<p>&gt; Guaranteed income<p>&gt; Free healthcare<p>And since there isn&#x27;t enough to go around in way of jobs, lets have :<p>&gt; Open borders so people can overload the system<p>&gt; Tons more legal immigrants<p>&gt; Tons more illegal immigrants<p>And lets not focus at all on education so people can actually be productive... In fact, lets make it harder for the educated individuals by importing tons of competition from outside the country...Yeah, that&#x27;ll work out great<p>Who pays for all of this? Certainly not those who create&#x2F;created this disaster. But yeah, socialism will fix things. After-all, it works in Europe where they have all of the things we don&#x27;t have :<p>&gt; Far more strict immigration<p>&gt; Far more Homogeneous culture and population<p>&gt; Far less exploitative economic system<p>&gt; Far more educated and involved populous<p>&gt; Far less corrupt government<p>*Facepalm .. Here we go again .. For anyone who doesn&#x27;t see that this country is in sharp decline, I wonder.<p>Every time, America puts the foxes in charge of the hen house and then people wonder why it ends in disaster...<p>When you fix a bug, do you target the root or do you try to find the most inefficient and indirect way of fixing the code issue? If you have an unreliable code base (economic equality), do you initiate an unbridled code blitz among your worst software engineers (Unbounded illegal immigration)?<p>I feel like I&#x27;m in the twilight zone sometimes in this country... But then, I stop and look around and I decide to see it for what it is and then things don&#x27;t see that strange after-all.
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tomjen3将近 10 年前
No we don&#x27;t. Socialism failed for a reason instead we should encourage people to be less jealous.