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IBM launches Linux-only mainframe system

178 点作者 jeo1234将近 10 年前

13 条评论

aus_将近 10 年前
By trade, I am a mainframe systems programmer at a large financial institution. My group is responsible for mainframe operating systems: z&#x2F;OS (it may also be referred to as MVS), z&#x2F;VM (the mainframe hypervisor), and z&#x2F;Linux (Linux on a mainframe) and many of the software components that go along with these.<p>I&#x27;m really excited about this announcement. I think IBM finally realized they need to be more open if they want to grow the Linux on z community. I just hope they are not too late to the game.<p>There&#x27;s a lot of mystery and misconception behind mainframes, so I am happy to answer any questions about mainframes that I can.
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cm-t将近 10 年前
Note: Canonical seems to be a partner to bring Ubuntu on it<p>See <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;08&#x2F;16&#x2F;ibm-teams-with-canonical-on-linux-mainframe&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;08&#x2F;16&#x2F;ibm-teams-with-canonical-on...</a>
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gauravphoenix将近 10 年前
&quot;IBM said LinuxONE Emperor can scale up to 8,000 virtual machines or thousands of containers, which would be the most for any single Linux system.&quot;<p>I wish article (or IBM) provided some specs. Thousands of containers is just too broad of a statement- what are these containers doing? Running just a bash script <i>hello world</i> program or minting bitcoins?
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rodgerd将近 10 年前
From my experience with zLinux environments I would be inclined to scrutinise any density claims very, very carefully.<p>Interesting they&#x27;re working with Canonical on this - the Z has historically been a SuSE stronghold, with a lot of the development of Linux-on-Z happening in Germany, and Red Hat trailing behind. I&#x27;d be wary it will be another increasingly typical adware effort from them.<p>(I follow the main zLinux mailing lists for my day job, and I see a lot of folks from SuSE, some folks from Red Hat, a bunch of people from IBM, and basically no-one from the Ubuntu&#x2F;Canonical world. Usual disclaimers apply.)
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tristor将近 10 年前
Frankly, my experience on mainframes is that UNIX is a stronghold there for a reason. I&#x27;d be far more interested in this ecosystem opening up by having strong mainframe vendor support for running Illumos and&#x2F;or FreeBSD, and less concerned with running Linux. Among other things, Zones are more useful than lxc, and in this type of environment you often need strong kernel support for specialized high-speed interconnects and real-time operations, which Linux only has experimental support for but is integrated well in the UNIX world. I love Linux and what it&#x27;s done for the world, but UNIX isn&#x27;t dead for a reason, there are still many things it is superior at.
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nickpsecurity将近 10 年前
It&#x27;s about time. This is long overdue. The combination of the mainframe architecture&#x27;s strengths with Linux&#x27;s API&#x2F;ecosystem could be pretty awesome. Anyone wondering why buy a mainframe should focus on these areas:<p>1. Reliability. Some have gone 30 years without downtime. Probably strongest selling point.<p>2. Channel I&#x2F;O [1]: dedicated I&#x2F;O processors plus scheduling that lead to high utilization (80-90+%) and throughput vs commodity servers. Second strongest point in mainframe&#x27;s favor. I wish my desktop &amp; servers had this rather than a knockoff.<p>3. Hardware partitioning that&#x27;s more robust and rated at stronger security than most virtualization. Certain cutting-edge projects in INFOSEC are doing similar things at CPU and I&#x2F;O layers. Mainframe&#x27;s version, although not as cool, is decent and field-proven.<p>4. Built-in, proven software virtualization.<p>5. Hardware acceleration for some things such as databases and crypto.<p>6. IBM&#x27;s ecosystem of apps, third-party providers, and services. This might matter to existing IBM customers.<p>So, those are a few advantages I hear from people who use mainframes. The z&#x2F;OS-based mainframes have extra benefits in terms of software reliability, security through obscurity (obfuscation), and seemingly better use of both security (eg memory key) and functional (eg decimal) aspects of mainframe processors. The z&#x2F;VM product has also been doing for decades what modern virtualization systems only recently do, even self-virtualizing since 70&#x27;s.<p>So, there&#x27;s some things to ponder. Whether it makes since financially vs other setups is a whole, different discussion. However, mainframes do retain strong, technical advantages over commodity architectures. They were doing cloud in one box before it was a thing. Their reliability is still unmatched with only VMS clusters and NonStop architecture getting close. So, it&#x27;s a sensible choice for a business to spend extra $$$ to get high-throughput with no downtime and strong isolation of logical partitions.<p>Channel I&#x2F;O [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;I&#x2F;O_channel" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;I&#x2F;O_channel</a>
arca_vorago将近 10 年前
So for a business with a complex AS400 system still in place, would this be a replacement for that or an augmentation of that? Their page isn&#x27;t very clear.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www-03.ibm.com&#x2F;systems&#x2F;z&#x2F;os&#x2F;linux&#x2F;linux-one.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www-03.ibm.com&#x2F;systems&#x2F;z&#x2F;os&#x2F;linux&#x2F;linux-one.html</a>
jwildeboer将近 10 年前
I wonder if the KVM on zSeries thingy is actually open source and upstream. From what I can see they (IBM) say it&#x27;s &quot;based on open source&quot; which is market droid speak for &quot;actually it&#x27;s not that open&quot;.
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sgt将近 10 年前
When would this type of thing become cost effective? Let&#x27;s say if you compare it with your typical X amounts of Dell servers also capable of running 8,000 virtual machines.
bluedino将近 10 年前
At the last user conference for some iSeries-based software that we run, IBM had a booth where they displayed a 2U server with dual 16-core Power7 CPUs. They bragged that it only ran Linux and would save us a ton of money. They started out at about $20,000 US.<p>How small is this market? You&#x27;d have to have apps that were written to take advantage of Power7. Equivalent x86 Linux servers are 1&#x2F;4 the price.
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dang将近 10 年前
Also <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10071679" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10071679</a>.
ilaksh将近 10 年前
How much does the 8000 core thing cost?
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stefantalpalaru将近 10 年前
&gt; (The story was refiled to correct the name of the server to &quot;Emperor&quot; from &quot;Empire&quot; in paragraph 4 and names of software to &quot;MariaDB&quot; and &quot;PostgreSQL&quot; from &quot;Maria&quot; and &quot;Posture&quot; in paragraph 5)<p>These are the journalists specialized in IT news for a giant like Reuters?
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