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Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

211 点作者 mukyu超过 9 年前

15 条评论

sp332超过 9 年前
You know Flash is dead when Homestar Runner says it&#x27;s dead! <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.homestarrunner.com&#x2F;flashisdead.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.homestarrunner.com&#x2F;flashisdead.html</a> For those who don&#x27;t know, this site was a legit phenomenon in the early 2000&#x27;s, and it has always been 100% flash-based. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Homestar_Runner" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Homestar_Runner</a>
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eosrei超过 9 年前
Amazon is switching to JavaScript animated ads to support all devices. This isn&#x27;t anything against Flash, this is a business decision to reach more eyeballs.<p>Flash is fast. JavaScript&#x2F;HTML5&#x2F;WebGL&#x2F;etc are just recently getting close to the performance we had in Flash 10+ years ago. Flash is perceived to be slow because it was used to make obtrusive advertising, like JavaScript is used now.<p>The evil dictator has been replaced, with much fanfare, by a new evil dictator!<p>An example from 2010 of Flash running in-browser 3D with millions of polygons and lighting effects: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=szaXvTsoeVs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=szaXvTsoeVs</a>
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larsiusprime超过 9 年前
If we want to speed up the demise of flash, there are several roots that need to be whacked simultaneously:<p>1. Tons of existing flash content people want to access<p>2. Give current flash devs a reasonable alternative<p>The first one is a thorny problem and is somewhat solved by things like Shumway but still needs more work.<p>As for the second, things like Unity and HTML5 have not covered all of flash dev&#x27;s use cases, so only some of them have switched over.<p>I think OpenFL (a Haxe-based reimplementation of the Flash API -- <i>not the flash PLAYER</i>) is our best hope for that:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.openfl.org" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.openfl.org</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.haxe.org" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.haxe.org</a><p>Devs can keep their current flash workflows but export to non-flash targets, specifically native C++ (supports mac&#x2F;win&#x2F;linux, iOS&#x2F;Android) and HTML5 (with canvas, DOM, or WebGL rendering). They can also use SWF-based vector animation assets, and even integrate with the Flash CC player. And it&#x27;s all open source.<p>Flash has been &quot;dying&quot; for years, but if we really want it to bite the dust, we need to give people a better way to make their content that doesn&#x27;t depend on a plugin.<p>EDIT: Video of OpenFL integrating with the Flash CC editor: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=BhE07Y9TUJU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=BhE07Y9TUJU</a>
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AdmiralAsshat超过 9 年前
Cool. Now if only Amazon would eat its own dogfood. Their Prime Music&#x2F;Cloud library music player still requires Flash in order to use.
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cableshaft超过 9 年前
I&#x27;ve been wanting to update my existing Flash games (I&#x27;ve released 7 games) to something more modern, like HTML5+JS or (maybe) Unity, but I don&#x27;t want to spend a ton of time learning a new stack and getting things working, as I really don&#x27;t have the free time I used to.<p>A few of the games have heavy use of graphics and animation also, that I don&#x27;t really want to have to recreate manually. I&#x27;ve worked on games made with Unity and Cocos2d(ios) since then, but I&#x27;m really hoping there&#x27;s some shortcut I&#x27;m not aware of.<p>There&#x27;s a ton of JS frameworks out there and it&#x27;s hard to evaluate which would be worth the time and effort.<p>Plus I really don&#x27;t want to have to do this again in the future, so hopefully this can be something I do once and I&#x27;m good for the forseeable future (which is why I&#x27;m leaning towards HTML5 + JS). Some cross-platform capabilities would be nice too.<p>Example of the heavy art&#x2F;animation: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newgrounds.com&#x2F;portal&#x2F;view&#x2F;187047" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newgrounds.com&#x2F;portal&#x2F;view&#x2F;187047</a><p>If anyone has any suggestions, I&#x27;d appreciate it.
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pluma超过 9 年前
Great! Now I&#x27;ll no longer see these &quot;Click to Play&quot; placeholders instead of the intrusive animated ads. I&#x27;ll finally be able to experience the intrusive animated ads the way they were meant to be seen.<p>... Yay?
shawkinaw超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m actually torn on this, because the fact is that Flash can do things that you realistically can&#x27;t do any other way. In my case, I&#x27;ve written a couple of video conferencing apps that need web-web and web-Android connectivity, and Flash&#x2F;AIR is still definitely the easiest way to do that sort of thing. WebRTC has promise, but it requires a reasonably recent browser (and not Safari), and until very recently it didn&#x27;t work in WebViews on the Android side.
e40超过 9 年前
I tried to uninstall Flash, but my bank (Citi) uses it for their one-time credit card # applet. And, I miss a lot of videos on the internets, but I can live without those. The bank thing, I cannot. (Yeah, I complained and was told moving away is &quot;in the works.&quot;)
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edpichler超过 9 年前
The only thing I will miss on flash is the Copy to clippboard feature (e.g <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;zeroclipboard.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;zeroclipboard.org&#x2F;</a>).<p>Is there other way to do the same when flash will be extinct?
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zeveb超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m actually a bit conflicted about this. The nice thing about Flash-based media is that one can disable JavaScript (thus increasing one&#x27;s privacy) and then enable Flash <i>only</i> to view a particular video (e.g. on Amazon Play); with JavaScript and HTML5, one generally has to enable JavaScript for the entire domain rather than a single video on a single page.<p>Why would one want to disable JavaScript in the first place? Privacy &amp; security: why enable a site to execute random code on one&#x27;s own machine when all one wants to do is read some content?
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b_a_c_o_n超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m a flash dev in my 30s, never made as much money as I am making now. Flash is not dead, it&#x27;s changing, it moved to embedded devices and has blazing performance results. As usual, a decade ahead of where the web is at. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;labs.adobe.com&#x2F;downloads&#x2F;air.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;labs.adobe.com&#x2F;downloads&#x2F;air.html</a> Haters gotta hate! (-__-)
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xngzng超过 9 年前
We need Google to remove bundling Flash player in Chrome. Chrome for OS X has Flash built-in. Not sure about other build.
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dsfyu404ed超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m sure this decision made them a fair number of enemies in the far east...
knocte超过 9 年前
ok, now we need spotify to make a move
exodust超过 9 年前
I have Flash enabled all the time. No probs here. Smooth and efficient. I have no agenda or need to kill it.<p>So much viral hate. Plugins have a right to exist. You gonna declare war on all plugins or just Flash? HTML doesn&#x27;t necessarily run its full suite of tricks on all browsers and platforms. And my iPad3 often slows to a crawl because of bloated well-known websites. Browser memory maxes out and I can&#x27;t even switch tabs without full page reloading. Inefficiency follows poor technical design no matter what technology is used.<p>Is javascript next because of those trendy promo pops where they think you&#x27;re leaving? Kill everything that sux, or whatever technology it comes from. Kill it all and dance on its grave like there&#x27;s no tomorrow.<p>Tomorrow we&#x27;ll retreat to our native apps with virtual coins and account validation. We&#x27;ll share our contact lists without knowing that we did, and we won&#x27;t be blocking ads because we can&#x27;t.<p>Tried the Youtube HTML player once. That was one hell of a rough and buggy experience. Switched back to Flash.<p>Clicked a link to youtube in iOS Safari more than once, and got auto-switched to the youtube app rather than the video play in Safari. I don&#x27;t know what or who to hate about that, I&#x27;m just tired.
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