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Petition UK government to not ban encryption

292 点作者 chrisdew将近 10 年前

33 条评论

pjc50将近 10 年前
<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.revk.uk&#x2F;2015&#x2F;07&#x2F;crypto-wars.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.revk.uk&#x2F;2015&#x2F;07&#x2F;crypto-wars.html</a><p>&quot;If a British citizen with an iPhone purchased in France and roaming in Germany iMessages a Chinese citizen roaming in Sweden using an iPhone purchased in Denmark, which government&#x27;s keys need to be inserted in the iMessage communications by an American company (Apple) legally based in Luxembourg using servers hosted in Eire?&quot;
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untog将近 10 年前
Urgh. This should be better phrased. From the BoingBoing article:<p><i>David Cameron says there should be no &quot;means of communication&quot; which &quot;we cannot read&quot;</i><p>It&#x27;s very specific to communication, and reading between the lines, messaging, as opposed to something like HTTP communication between a bank and a customer. Don&#x27;t get me wrong, it&#x27;s still incredibly stupid, but the government will be able to reply to this petition with &quot;we do not intend to ban encryption&quot; and close it.
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spuz将近 10 年前
The government&#x27;s story has been &quot;we need a way to access people&#x27;s data so we can catch pedophiles, drug dealers and terrorists&quot; and it seems there is a widely held belief that in order to do this, they would need to either ban encryption or weaken it sufficiently to make it effectively useless. However, as far as I can tell, backdoors into your phone or your desktop PC already exist. All the government has to do is convince Apple, Google, MS or Ubuntu to provide an &#x27;official&#x27; update to a target computer, wait for the user to accept (or the OS to accept it automatically) and they have full reign over your device.<p>Many people say that opening our devices to a special chosen set of good guys is equivalent to opening them to all the bad guys as well. If that&#x27;s the case, surely we&#x27;re already vulnerable given most commonly used devices update automatically?<p>The only purpose I can see for attacking encryption in general is to enable mass surveillance. The government have in fact not been specific about what they are actually asking for, but if they want selective ability to search digital devices, they already have it. If they want further powers, then we need to ask them what they need them for.
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Jaepa将近 10 年前
For the record Cameron was not suggesting on banning everything that uses encryption. Primary seeking a ban on end-to-end encryption messaging applications (ie, textsecure&#x2F;signal, whatsapp, snapchat) that does no provide the UK government with a backdoor.<p>Its still a terrifying idea, and shouldn&#x27;t be allowed to happen.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Encryption_ban_proposal_in_the_United_Kingdom" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Encryption_ban_proposal_in_the...</a>
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sillygeese将近 10 年前
So let&#x27;s see..<p>Governments are passing increasingly Orwellian laws, <i>obviously against our wishes</i>. They clearly don&#x27;t want us to have any privacy whatsoever, and are basically just making that a legal reality too. Hello police state.<p>In response, people <i>ask governments</i> to stop stripping away their privacy.<p>How would you expect governments to respond, besides with some PR-bullshit to placate us or give us a false sense of security. <i>&quot;We would never read the contents of your messages, only the metadata! Honest!&quot;</i>.. and people buy that as if they didn&#x27;t know governments lie to us all the fucking time.<p>Imagine a King telling his subjects he&#x27;ll raise taxes until the economy implodes. The subjects <i>ask him nicely</i> to please not raise taxes quite <i>that</i> much.<p>What does the King do? -Whatever the fuck he damn well pleases, as long as people aren&#x27;t willing to risk their lives in de-throning him. Of course, after a revolution, a <i>new King</i> is throned, because <i>THIS time it&#x27;ll be different!</i><p>This is so fucking insane.. When will people wake up?
arianvanp将近 10 年前
Honestly. I&#x27;d like to see them try to ban it. They&#x27;ll see their entire internet economy crash and hell will break loose. People getting pissed why they can&#x27;t login to gmail or facebook or paypal or do any online shopping. It&#x27;s such an entirely ridiculous idea that i can&#x27;t even describe it in words.<p>Okay to be honest I haven&#x27;t really read into the material. but is their actual plan to &quot;ban&quot; encryption? Or do they want to license it to certain parties? Or have a weakened &quot;export&quot; encryption scheme like the US government tried? What&#x27;s the plan?
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iamcurious将近 10 年前
I think we are fighting the wrong battle here. The power equation is already in favor of the government snooping everybody, making it law only puts things in the open. We should fight in <i>that</i> direction, making it so that everything is more transparent. Wanna have my data? Okay, but I want to have yours. I specially want to have all the data about what you do with my data. I want to be able to request all the data you got of me. I want to be able to erase some of it (or at the very least mark it as invalid). I want to be able to add directly to it. I want to know whenever it is used. I want a due process every time it is used for something that affects me. And I want people that make use of data for their own purposes or that don&#x27;t follow protocol to be prosecuted or at the very least banned from public office.
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mrbig4545将近 10 年前
Cameron doesn&#x27;t want to ban encryption. he wants encrypted end to end messaging services to have backdoor keys for the security services use. which is stupid, but very different to banning encryption.<p>Don&#x27;t get me wrong, I&#x27;m not in favour of this, but the distinction is clear and false misinformation isn&#x27;t going to help prevent this.
oneandoneis2将近 10 年前
I think it could be better worded as &quot;Please stop being so bloody stupid&quot;
jdimov9将近 10 年前
There shouldn&#x27;t be a need for any petition. A government with the illusion that it can &quot;ban encryption&quot; has already lost all authority and credibility, so should not be governing anyone.
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andybak将近 10 年前
To all those saying &quot;it&#x27;s not about banning encryption - only encrypted messaging then surely either:<p>a) they ban all end-to-end encryption<p>or<p>b) this law is ridiculously easy to circumvent for even non-technical users<p>An example of b) would be: piggyback messaging on an existing service that has a valid reason for being encrypted
dgmdoug将近 10 年前
It really worries me that the leader of our nation does not appear to have all the information required in order to make a decision on a topic as important as this. I would have thought that a domain expert within government would have be consulted before Cameron goes off half cocked in debates and discussions.<p>With technology a key and growing industry within the UK, shouldn&#x27;t we expect our leaders to at least attempt to understand the issues around governance?
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jimworm将近 10 年前
I wish they would just go ahead and ban it outright today, and in my naive imagination the whole country would plunge into disaster. Airliner crashes, car crashes, market crashes, the whole lot.<p>Unfortunately, selective enforcement of this ban will quickly turn it into a tool of tyranny, same as any other.<p>(Yeah I have a site that doesn&#x27;t display that stupid cookie notice, but it doesn&#x27;t matter because I haven&#x27;t pissed off anybody powerful yet.)
reasonishy将近 10 年前
They&#x27;re not going to ban encryption. Seriously. Stop wasting time on misquotes taken out of context blown up by The Guardian. There&#x27;s more important things to worry about.
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sandworm101将近 10 年前
Just One.<p>The US has the greatest control over apple. From the US is it shared with the five eyes. GCHQ&#x27;s oldboys network then passes it on to basically any European who asks, while one of the thousands entry-level &quot;analysts&quot; at the many US intel agencies passes it on to the Chinese. Then the next snowden leaks it to the guardian and every other paper still alive, half of which are under surveillance by various police groups. So within a week the only people who cannot read this text are 50% of us who aren&#x27;t government employees.<p>One keyring to rule them all.
Joeboy将近 10 年前
Hopefully we can mostly agree that they&#x27;re not really going to try to ban encryption.<p>Would anybody like to speculate on what proposals we might see in reality? Are they going to ban me, as an individual, from using GPG? Are they going to ban companies from operating encrypted messaging services in the UK? Are they going to block traffic from non-compliant overseas providers? Are they going to just have a quiet word with the SnapChat people?
p01926将近 10 年前
It&#x27;s pretty staggering that the FBI and gov.uk should choose now — a time of daily, massive security breaches dominating the headlines — to have the &quot;your security is too good&quot; conversation with tech companies. And, compared to the last time we went through this idiocy, they now refuse to put any specific proposals on the table. The whole enterprise is an embarrassment, and not going to happen in a million years.
sorokod将近 10 年前
Sir, the serfs are using HTTPS again!
redblacktree将近 10 年前
What is the enforcement plan for this? Will people be taken to jail for sending encrypted communication? How will messaging be differentiated from banking? (if those who claim a more limited scope are correct) The whole plan just seems unworkable.
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alkonaut将近 10 年前
Background <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Encryption_ban_proposal_in_the_United_Kingdom" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Encryption_ban_proposal_in_the...</a>
totony超过 9 年前
Interesting idea. I could go to the UK and hijack all of their end-to-end communication easily? Sounds like a fair deal to me.<p>EDIT: In fact, I wouldn&#x27;t even need to go there
walshemj将近 10 年前
Nice but pious, It would be more useful to find an MP who was lucky in the ballot for private members bills - and try and get a law passed.
jackgavigan将近 10 年前
This is a pointless petition.<p>&quot;We don&#x27;t want to ban encryption.&quot; - Ed Vaizey, Minister of State at the Department of Culture, Media &amp; Sport, on 16 July 2015 - <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scmagazineuk.com&#x2F;uk-minister-cyber-security-a-priority-for-government-but-no-ban-on-encryption&#x2F;article&#x2F;426726&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scmagazineuk.com&#x2F;uk-minister-cyber-security-a-pri...</a>
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tired_man将近 10 年前
How does anyone think that a petition to a government will cause that body to change their direction on any topic other than meaningless feel good areas?<p>Serious policy isn&#x27;t influenced by petitions. If you don&#x27;t have a majority of legislators&#x2F;MPs in your pocket, you&#x27;re wasting both time and bandwidth.
elcct将近 10 年前
Not sure if that petition will be valid, because it is encrypted... ;)
kiddico将近 10 年前
I&#x27;m assuming that as a US citizen I cannot sign this. Correct?
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ommunist将近 10 年前
Some people in Britain will always be more equal than the others.
ccvannorman超过 9 年前
banning encryption today because &quot;criminals use computers&quot; is equivalent to banning locks 100 years ago because &quot;criminals use doors&quot;
samuellavoie90将近 10 年前
They should try to ban it, just so they can really see how much stuff depends on it and how vague &#x27;Banned Encryption&#x27; is.
leni536将近 10 年前
But they don&#x27;t want to ban encryption, they just want the keys.
sft将近 10 年前
As if they could, even if they wanted to.
terefere将近 10 年前
No mu<i>li</i> no terrorist no terrorist to ban encryption
agd将近 10 年前
Cameron is not really trying to ban encryption (or even ban end to end encryption apps).<p>This is misdirection in the run up to new surveillance legislation. The real issue is &#x27;bulk collection&#x27;.<p>The UK government is trying to frame the debate such that the concept of mass surveillance is not challenged.
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