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Trucks Are Killing Us

213 点作者 nkzednan将近 10 年前

30 条评论

WalterBright将近 10 年前
Driving on I5 from Seattle to Portland is now a long line of semis, one after the other. Trucks, even loaded to the legal limit, cause 9,000 times as much fatigue damage to the road as a car (fatigue damage goes up as the cube of the weight).<p>It&#x27;s inefficient and environmentally absurd to use trucks that way. Railroad tracks parallel I5. The solution is to pick the container off the semi, put it on a railcar, do the intercity haul on the rails (which are made for heavy loads) with minimal fuel and manpower costs, pick it up and put it on a truck to do the last mile in the destination city.<p>So why isn&#x27;t this done now? Highways are subsidized by cars (fuel taxes), and railroads are taxed. The incentives are backwards.<p>What I&#x27;d do is significantly raise the weight taxes on trucks on the interstates, and use that money to subsidize the rail right-of-way.
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rcarrigan87将近 10 年前
I&#x27;m all for the safety arguments being made by the author but he does paint the trucking industry as this huge money making business when that really isn&#x27;t the case.<p>Trucking is a very low margin business. These guys live and die based on controlling costs. It&#x27;s an industry where innovation is very hard because you really need to justify every dollar spent on R&amp;D.<p>Quoting $700B total industry revenue and saying there&#x27;s room to spend on safety is meaningless... Would love to see a more in depth analysis on the issue from a financial perspective.
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macNchz将近 10 年前
Self-driving trucks seem to have such great promise to improve the safety and efficiency of the trucking industry and our highways in general. Even if they&#x27;re only self-driving during the long haul sections and human drivers take over for local deliveries it would make a huge difference.<p>Hopefully the various interested lobbies don&#x27;t try to put too many artificial barriers in the way of self driving trucks becoming a reality.
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jfhubbard将近 10 年前
I&#x27;m the CEO of SpeedGauge - a safety and performance company that uses data from 3rd party GPS trackers to monitor and coach hundreds of thousands of commercial vehicles in the US. We use standard GPS tracking data to understand and improve driver speeding behavior - clearly the cause of the crash that critically injured Tracy Morgan and killed James McNair.<p>From our experience with fleet customers we can see that there is a split in the US trucking industry between those companies that eagerly spend to improve safety and fuel economy and those that think they can&#x27;t afford it and therefore fight regulation and mandates.<p>Many companies are way ahead of the regulators when it comes to safety and fuel saving technology and practices. Just look at which companies voluntarily govern their vehicles to a fuel efficient max speed (say 62 mph) vs those that let trucks roll at higher inefficient speeds. Or, look at those companies that have invested in telematics to get improvements in safety, operations and fuel economy and those that resist any such mandate.<p>Police and inspection based monitoring system (ie. current US DOT CSA regime) allow effective comparison of risk patterns at the aggregate level for large fleets but statistically are invalid at the single driver level because of the paucity of data (even risky drivers don&#x27;t get in accidents very often). Fleets need more granular data to evaluate individual drivers. Sadly in this incident, it was Walmart, who maintains one of the highest aggregate safety ratings in the industry, that failed to identify the granulal events that put their driver, and the driving public at risk.<p>Transportation is a tight margin business and solutions need to work within the capital and operational constraints of the market and the reality is that smaller and independent players often don&#x27;t have the capital to invest (nor do many telematic solution providers direct efforts to micro-fleets). Our customers&#x27; experience is that safest drivers are the most profitable drivers (and the best paid). While I am a strong supporter of fair government regulation, I remain hopeful that technology can in fact lead that way by pointing out that safe operations are profitable operations.
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hyperpape将近 10 年前
I&#x27;m not able to comment on all parts of the article, but one thing stuck out at me: deaths were up from 2009-2013, but so was the volume of freight being shipped: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.transtats.bts.gov&#x2F;osea&#x2F;seasonaladjustment&#x2F;?PageVar=TRUCK" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.transtats.bts.gov&#x2F;osea&#x2F;seasonaladjustment&#x2F;?PageVa...</a>. That makes that particular statistic quite dubious.<p>Disclosure: I work for a SAAS company serving the logistics industry, which is why I knew that. I don&#x27;t really have an opinion about how regulated the industry is. My personal work doesn&#x27;t deal with that, and I&#x27;m pretty ignorant of it. I&#x27;m quite willing to believe that this article is accurate at the big picture level.
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jessaustin将近 10 年前
<i>The trucking industry... insists that it needs longer work weeks... so that more trucks will not be needed on the road, which it says could result in more accidents. That logic is laughable, but Congress seems to be buying it.</i><p>Yeah that makes zero sense. If drivers are driving more, trucks will be on the road more. The actual result of sane work hours would be that more drivers would share trucks and drive in shifts, which is already fairly common. If sharing trucks is somehow impossible, then the industry could buy more trucks, to be parked waiting for their drivers to become available. Neither truck sharing nor additional parked trucks are a danger to the public.<p>It&#x27;s my understanding that drivers are typically paid by the mile. Therefore, it&#x27;s difficult to see why trucking companies care about lower speeds or shorter work weeks. If a driver drives less, she&#x27;ll be paid less. It&#x27;s almost as if they&#x27;re saying that there are no more drivers available at current mileage compensation rates. Since this is HN, I won&#x27;t suggest higher compensation, but perhaps they could investigate the H-1B program?
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nulagrithom将近 10 年前
&gt; It has pushed to allow truck drivers to work 82 hours a week, up from the current 70 hours over eight days, by eliminating the requirement that drivers take a two-day rest break each week;<p>There was a different problem with the two-day rest break:<p>&gt; Must include two periods from 1 a.m. to 5 a.m. home terminal time.<p>Because obviously the trucking industry shouldn&#x27;t be working graveyard. That&#x27;s the part that was suspended. It screws with scheduling. 1 a.m. to 5 a.m. is arbitrary.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fmcsa.dot.gov&#x2F;regulations&#x2F;hours-service&#x2F;summary-hours-service-regulations" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fmcsa.dot.gov&#x2F;regulations&#x2F;hours-service&#x2F;summary-h...</a><p>&gt; discouraged the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration from investing in wireless technology designed to improve the monitoring of drivers and their vehicles;<p>Either this is VERY recent news or just misleading. This is happening as far as everyone can tell. The mandate for electronic logging devices in all vehicles should be coming down late September, with a deadline of October 2017.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ccjdigital.com&#x2F;e-log-mandate-advances-fmcsa-sends-rule-to-white-house-for-approval&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ccjdigital.com&#x2F;e-log-mandate-advances-fmcsa-sends...</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.overdriveonline.com&#x2F;eld-mandate-poised-to-begin-two-year-countdown" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.overdriveonline.com&#x2F;eld-mandate-poised-to-begin-t...</a>
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yoo1I将近 10 年前
&gt; Howard Abramson is a freelance writer who was an executive at American Trucking Associations from 1998 to 2014.<p>So the same guy who wrote the piece has for 16 years been directly responsible for the lobbying he is decrying. Anyone know what&#x27;s going on there?
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kylemathews将近 10 年前
This is why many people believe self-driving trucks will be even more significant than self-driving cars. Especially as we start to commute less as telepresence improves and more jobs can go remote.
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jerrac将近 10 年前
Driving while tired can be as dangerous as driving drunk. The occasional 14hr drive isn&#x27;t horrible, but if you do that several days in a row, you&#x27;re going to be really tired. So limiting the hours per day a truck driver drives seems like a good idea. As does &quot;shift&quot; driving.<p>Collision avoidance tech also seems like a good idea.<p>That said, I don&#x27;t think we need the government to do anything.<p>Drivers can unionize and demand better hours. Insurance companies can require collision avoidance tech be installed. Etc.<p>And if you really believe the government needs to be involved, then it doesn&#x27;t hurt to try both the government regulation route, and the self-regulation route at the same time. The latter could get implemented faster than the government....
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thedogeye将近 10 年前
It&#x27;s rather disingenuous to compare truck crash fatalities to plane crash fatalities. Almost everything kills people more often than plane crashes.
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MiguelVieira将近 10 年前
The author makes several good points, but never mentions fault. From a 1998 study on car-truck collisions:<p>&gt; the car driver&#x27;s behavior was more than three times as likely to contribute to the fatal crash than was the truck driver&#x27;s behavior. In addition, the car driver was solely responsible for 70 percent of the fatal crashes, compared to 16 percent for the truck driver.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fhwa.dot.gov&#x2F;publications&#x2F;research&#x2F;safety&#x2F;humanfac&#x2F;04085&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fhwa.dot.gov&#x2F;publications&#x2F;research&#x2F;safety&#x2F;humanfa...</a>
machbio将近 10 年前
The Solution is the Train - that I don&#x27;t understand why has not dominated in US, though it being a big industry in earlier part of the 20th Century
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mytochar将近 10 年前
&gt; It has pushed to allow truck drivers to work 82 hours a week, up from the current 70 hours over eight days.<p>Please tell me that&#x27;s a typo. PLEASE tell me that&#x27;s a typo. 82 hours a week is insanity. Driving any vehicle requires a lot of attention, driving a large one requires a LOT more attention. And I just have a strong certainty that, if it&#x27;s anything like every other industry, it&#x27;ll be 82 hours a week, every week, no breaks.<p>You want accidents and injuries? Make people drive more than 16 hours a day (5 days a week). Or maybe 13.67 hours a day (6 days a week), or even still 11.71 hours a day (7 days a week). Every week.<p>Wow.
discardorama将近 10 年前
FTA: &quot;<i>The trucking industry, through its chief trade group, the American Trucking Associations, insists that it needs longer work weeks and bigger vehicles so that more trucks will not be needed on the road, which it says could result in more accidents. That logic is laughable, but Congress seems to be buying it.</i>&quot; .... and later:<p>&quot;<i>Howard Abramson is a freelance writer who was an executive at American Trucking Associations from 1998 to 2014.</i>&quot;<p>Gee, I wonder what&#x27;s the backstory there?
jimmyspencerjr将近 10 年前
Man, I have always hated trucks, and this is yet another proof of why! But in all seriousness, this is yet another narrative of Congress&#x27; rolling back of regulations that prove quite beneficial by way of safety and overall welfare of the nation in favor of vicious profit margins for those warlords of industry. I certainly hope to see restored a body of lawmakers that can get their act together and promote the welfare of a healthy, vibrant nation before the end of my lifetime. We have too many clowns now who are willing to pass laws or not pass laws in downright stupidity, and I&#x27;m not sure if it&#x27;s out of sheer corruption or debased philosophical convictions. For myself, this issue serves as an ideal example of where the government can and should intervene with laws and regulations and oversight in order to promote general safety and welfare, not to mention economic fairness, in preventing the exploitation of the have-nots by the haves. I&#x27;m just as weary of government getting too large and intervening in our private lives as anybody else, but who can argue that in cases such as truck driving and highway safety in general, the government cannot easily play a part in saving not only lives but tons of money?
microcolonel将近 10 年前
&gt;More people will be killed in traffic accidents involving large trucks this year than have died in all of the domestic commercial airline crashes over the past 45 years<p>This is such a slimy apples to oranges comparison. Clearly commercial airfare is far safer than ANY road ground transit.<p>After this comparison, I don&#x27;t feel like reading the rest of the article.
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aswanson将近 10 年前
I have to drive an interstate on my daily commute. I always wonder why the state troopers, almost without fail, have a semi pulled over on the way in.<p>Also, I have noticed that truck drivers seem to be as dumb&#x2F;bad as the average driver, and there is no particular need to single them out. People in general are fucking stupid behind the wheel.
dougdonohoe将近 10 年前
Until self driving machines become a reality, there are startups like Maven Machines in Pittsburgh that are tackling the problem of driver fatigue thru innovative use of machine learning.<p>Site: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mavenmachines.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mavenmachines.com&#x2F;</a>
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jsz0将近 10 年前
&gt; the N.T.S.B. recently reported that they were involved in one in eight of all fatal accidents and about one-quarter of all fatal accidents in work zones<p>Involved or at fault? It seems like these stats are including accidents where trucks did not even contribute to the fatalities but were simply part of the collateral damage.
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xacaxulu将近 10 年前
But no one wants to give up Amazon Prime &amp; other forms of free or discounted shipping.
joaq将近 10 年前
I can&#x27;t think of many worse jobs than truck driving. Long hours, low pay, threat to lose your job from self-driving cars, high risk... These guys deserve a higher salary and they should start looking for something else to do IMHO.
everyone将近 10 年前
As a cyclist I feel the same way about cars in general, and the stats are similar.
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closetnerd将近 10 年前
It might be unfair assume accidents involving trucks are necessarily due to truck drivers. I think self-driving trucks have many more benefits however other than possibly reducing accidents.
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sehugg将近 10 年前
In the last cross-country trip I took, the interstates were bumpy and the country roads were smooth, no doubt in part due to semi traffic.
jbeales将近 10 年前
I&#x27;m not convinced this guy isn&#x27;t on some vendetta. He only quotes total numbers, not accidents per thousand miles &#x2F; deaths per thousand miles.<p>If I understand the these DOT numbers[1,2] properly the number of truck miles from 2009 to 2013 has dropped, which would be especially bad if the number of accidents has ridden, but that doesn&#x27;t jibe with a) the 2008 recession ending and b) increased truck sales over the past 5 years[3]. The trucking industry publications I&#x27;ve been reading are generally in agreement that trucking demand exceeds capacity, and that demand has been steadily increasing since 2008.<p>He&#x27;s right that some of the safety regulations have changed recently, and to the layman it appears that they have changed to be less safe. For example, as of this past June, drivers hauling oversize&#x2F;overweight loads no longer have to take a 30-minute break that was formerly required. However, part of that reasoning was that it can be <i>more dangerous</i> for oversize trucks to be parked, especially at night, than it is for them to continue driving straight through[4].<p>The 30-minute break exemption has been granted in several other situations as well, for example when hauling HazMat that requires the driver to &quot;attend,&quot; or supervise the vehicle even when it&#x27;s stopped, since this is defined as an on-duty activity the driver would either have to eliminate the break, or stop supervising the load, so he&#x2F;she would have to break a law no matter what, so it was decided that the 30-minute break would become optional.<p>About on-truck technology to make the road safer, it&#x27;s a good idea, but it needs to work right every time. I&#x27;ve spoken to my business partner about it, (he&#x27;s the one who&#x27;s been through the whole trucking industry from driving right up to management), and in his other job, where he manages a trucking company, they&#x27;ve had demonstration units with all kinds of collision warnings, lane departure warnings, blind-spot warnings, and so on. They found that the alarms went off way too often when there was no problem - to the point where none of the drivers wanted to take these brand-new demonstration trucks out on a run. And the article&#x27;s posterboy crash - the Tracy Morgan accident, was a new truck with those bells &amp; whistles installed. The problem there was the driver&#x27;s commute time to get to work.<p>Finally, the article reads as if the trucking industry wants to be unsafe. This is simply not true. There are jerks that drive trucks, just like there are jerks that drive 4-wheelers, but there&#x27;s a culture of safety in trucking that really impresses me. Safety records for both drivers and companies, including inspection results, are tracked by the US government. If a driver&#x27;s record is too bad no company will take them on, and if a carrier&#x27;s record is too bad it will be prohibited from operating. Most of the &quot;trucking industry&quot; is truck drivers, and a truck driver&#x27;s top priority is arriving alive and uninjured.<p>[1]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fhwa.dot.gov&#x2F;policyinformation&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;2010&#x2F;vm1.cfm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fhwa.dot.gov&#x2F;policyinformation&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;2010&#x2F;v...</a> [2]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fhwa.dot.gov&#x2F;policyinformation&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;2013&#x2F;vm1.cfm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fhwa.dot.gov&#x2F;policyinformation&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;2013&#x2F;v...</a> [3]<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ttnews.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;printopt.aspx?storyid=37081" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ttnews.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;printopt.aspx?storyid=37081</a> [4]<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ccjdigital.com&#x2F;oversizeoverweight-interstate-haulers-granted-exemption-to-30-minute-break-rule&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ccjdigital.com&#x2F;oversizeoverweight-interstate-haul...</a>
stevewepay将近 10 年前
This is why drone technology is very interesting to me. If you have drones flying around that deliver things directly from docks to warehouses, or warehouse to warehouse, not only would it be faster, but potentially safer too (the drone could take paths that have no or minimal human population). There&#x27;s probably a bunch of ways to regulate this as well, such that in the case of disaster, the cost of human life is extremely unlikely.
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ape4将近 10 年前
Something semi-automated like speedlimit signs that radio out info which the truck receives and enforces seems possible.
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golergka将近 10 年前
Wouldn&#x27;t it more effective to just help the natural process of these drivers being replaced by AI?
donatj将近 10 年前
&gt; About a mile before the crash, the driver ignored work-zone warning signs on the New Jersey Turnpike of likely delays<p>What was expected here, honestly? Should he have made a note in his notebook?<p>&gt; About a half-mile later, the posted speed limit dropped to 45 m.p.h. from the usual 65, which the driver also ignored.<p>Truly more often than not the people who do slow down are in the vast minority and arguably the bigger road hazard.
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