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The Mystery of Devil's Kettle Falls

165 点作者 oskenso超过 9 年前

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Animats超过 9 年前
There are mine communication devices that can punch a signal through a few hundred meters of solid rock. Here&#x27;s a simple one.[1] VLF can get through, with enough power, a simple signal, and a smart receiver.[2]<p>There&#x27;s been a lot of work on &quot;down-hole communication&quot; for oil and gas drilling. Modern drilling involves com links to the sharp end, with info coming up and commands going down. Some of the techniques work through the drill string, but some are VLF radios.<p>There are also high-powered ultrasonic pingers, with a range of several kilometers in water.[3]<p>If you could get info for the first kilometer or two, you&#x27;d at least know where to look for the rest of the path.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;radiolocation.tripod.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;radiolocation.tripod.com&#x2F;</a> [2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;onlinelibrary.wiley.com&#x2F;doi&#x2F;10.1029&#x2F;2010RS004378&#x2F;full" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;onlinelibrary.wiley.com&#x2F;doi&#x2F;10.1029&#x2F;2010RS004378&#x2F;full</a> [3] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sonotronics.com&#x2F;?page_id=96" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sonotronics.com&#x2F;?page_id=96</a>
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cossatot超过 9 年前
For the record lava tubes can happen in flood basalts; I&#x27;ve been to some at Hell&#x27;s Half Acre in Idaho, and I&#x27;m sure there are others. But these are not like karst-type cave systems; they&#x27;re much shorter.<p>It&#x27;s really unlikely that the water goes anywhere other than the lake. It just might travel through a fracture network and seep out of the lake bottom miles away, but groundwater tends to flow broadly following the topographic slope (driven by the gravitational loading of groundwater surface called the &#x27;hydraulic head&#x27;) and there typically aren&#x27;t isolated tunnels where some water can flow unimpeded by regional groundwater flow.
rmason超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m reading this and wondering why you couldn&#x27;t build a waterproof beacon? At least by tracking it you could prove that it didn&#x27;t exit into Lake Superior.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Underwater_locator_beacon" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Underwater_locator_beacon</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rjeint.com&#x2F;aviation-underwater-locator-beacons" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rjeint.com&#x2F;aviation-underwater-locator-beacons</a>
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quarterto超过 9 年前
Wow. So many armchair geologists, both here and in the comments on TFA. Do you really think people haven&#x27;t already thought of a dozen reasons why GPS beacons&#x2F;synthetic DNA&#x2F;blah blah etc wouldn&#x27;t work?<p>Should we get some geologists in to comment on your issue tracker and propose solutions for your bugs?<p>Ninja edit: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;793&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;793&#x2F;</a> applies to programmers, too
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jqm超过 9 年前
Use a long thin cable on a motorized spool. Rig up a waterproof reinforced box with sensors that detect speed and direction (mercury switch type deals?... I don&#x27;t know but I bet there is something). Hook them up to a board with some storage. Drop the box in and start reeling the cable off. If the cable goes slack the thing has probably stopped. Maybe it&#x27;s hung up. Pull it back a bit and try again. If it keeps stopping in the same place it&#x27;s probably all the information possible by this method. Retrieve the box, get the speed&#x2F;direction information, do some distance calculations and graph it. Ideally the box will go all the way to the exit point and you will have a profile showing where the water ends up. But even if it doesn&#x27;t, you will have a good idea of direction and depth the water is traveling for a certain distance at least. This will at least make better guesses in the future.
mirimir超过 9 年前
I&#x27;ve boated the Brule. That is a definite portage ;)<p>Better photos here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;roadtrippers.com&#x2F;stories&#x2F;revealing-the-mystery-behind-minnesotas-devils-kettle-falls" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;roadtrippers.com&#x2F;stories&#x2F;revealing-the-mystery-behin...</a>
peterwwillis超过 9 年前
They don&#x27;t have to dam the whole thing but they could redirect the water going in the kettle to go over the falls on the right, so the hole is free to be explored via winch &amp; harness, or remote camera.
simcop2387超过 9 年前
Why don&#x27;t we block it off for a few months and see if it dries up?
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jamesfisher超过 9 年前
Has anyone attempted to map the first few hundred meters of the kettle? That might give us a good idea of where to look. Drop a sonar on a very long, strong wire to map out the contours?
joshontheweb超过 9 年前
It could just go down into an underground aquifer, no?
forlorn_hope超过 9 年前
Sounds like a great place to dump a body...
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JoeAltmaier超过 9 年前
Dump radioactive waste in, see where the Geiger counter picks it up?
FranOntanaya超过 9 年前
Maybe they could use radar sounding and a big bag of passive reflectors floating upright.
Shivetya超过 9 年前
are there any short life radioactive materials that can be used?
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Gravityloss超过 9 年前
Why not lower a camera equipped robot with a wire there?
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roflchoppa超过 9 年前
why not just cut it open and see where it goes?
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EwanG超过 9 年前
Ground penetrating radar?
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doyoulikeworms超过 9 年前
Wow, that looks dangerous as hell!