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Why drivers in China intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit

237 点作者 fhinson超过 9 年前

27 条评论

sandworm101超过 9 年前
Forgetting the laws, what sort of people can so casually kill like this? There are basic human instincts not to hurt people. Armies have to train soldiers to ignore these feelings because without training most won't kill even under combat situations. So when I see someone kill so casually I have to believe that they have rehearsed the scenario in their head beforehand. That means a large number of chinese people drive around with a plan in their head covering how to kill should they injure someone. They are mentally prepared at all times to commit murder on demand. That's messed up. It does not speak well of the country or its citizens when they travel abroad.
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Xcelerate超过 9 年前
I could not finish this article. I have read about and seen a lot of disturbing things, but this bothers me far more than any horror movie or shock film ever could. The situation exposed in this article evidences something really fundamental about human nature: the banality of evil.<p>That someone could run over a <i>toddler</i> and then reverse back and forth over them just so they only have to pay $50,000 instead of $400,000 — well, it&#x27;s absolutely sickening.<p>Time and again I&#x27;m reminded that most people are really only &quot;good&quot; because it benefits them personally in some way. But the ease with which <i>so many</i> people simply rationalize away all the horrors that mankind commits — I suppose that&#x27;s part of the human genome.<p>This really depresses me.
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tzs超过 9 年前
Three questions:<p>1. The article notes that the monetary cost to the driver for accidentally killing someone is much less than the cost for accidentally disabling someone.<p>For drivers that do not have much wealth, and who are the sole source of income for their family, I can see how [1] they might decide that the harm to their family from having to pay that higher cost might outweigh the harm from killing a stranger. People tend to value their immediate family very much more than they value strangers.<p>However, it seems a lot of these cases were people driving expensive luxury cars. For people with the incomes or wealth to afford those cars, is the cost difference enough to actually cause serious hardship for them or their family?<p>2. How does this work when the pedestrian is a foreigner, such as a tourist or a business traveler?<p>Do drivers know that (1) these people will have their medical bills taken care of by insurance or the national healthcare systems of their home countries, so there is no need to kill them, and (2) it would really piss off their home country, which would cause severe diplomatic pressure on China to seriously punish the driver?<p>3. Drivers certainly cannot count on always being able to finish off any pedestrian they hit. Why hasn&#x27;t an insurance market sprung up to deal with the risk of disabling pedestrians?<p>[1] Note: &quot;I can see how&quot; is not meant to mean &quot;I approve of&quot;. It is observational, not judgmental.
rectang超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m reminded that many land mines are designed to maim rather than kill, maximizing the cost to the enemy by forcing them to care for wounded casualties.
mirimir超过 9 年前
There&#x27;s a similar dynamic in Mexico. Causing injury can mean responsibility for lifetime care. Another factor is Napoleonic law aka presumption of guilt. So one may end up in jail until trial. The third factor is ubiquitous graft. After an accident, the party with the most cash gets to tell the official story. So yes, advice is to flee with plates and registration (if any). But I didn&#x27;t get that killing victims was commonplace.
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speeder超过 9 年前
In Brazil the punishment for murder is lesser than many other crimes, leading to people murdering investigators (or in one particularly infamous case, a mayor murdered two environmental cops that were going to investigate his farm, got convicted, but still got re-elected).<p>Also firing a gun and not hitting anything also has a harsher punishment than hitting someone, so unless you are a cop that need to draw attention or something, if you need to fire a gun, you need to make sure you will hit someone.
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jmspring超过 9 年前
Not the same, but...an anecdote from when I went through driver&#x27;s education. This was many moons ago and it was meant tongue in cheek, with a bit of truth -- if you hit a pedestrian to the point they are severely injured, you better hope they don&#x27;t survive.<p>Thinking seems to be -- A car versus a pedestrian (or cyclist) unless a glancing blow is going to do a lot of damage to the ped&#x2F;cyclist. Personal liability could be <i>huge</i> in the case of injury, much more so (potentially) than wrongful death.<p>We see this commonly in the Bay Area in motorist killing a cyclist, the criminal penalty (if any) is often not as severe as it should be.<p>(The above said, even when the motorist hits and the ped&#x2F;cyclist survives, getting justice can be long and involved -- classic case is the Los Gatos&#x2F;Los Altos business man who severely impacted a cyclist who was permanently injured -- <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mercurynews.com&#x2F;ci_20884491&#x2F;saratoga-businessman-robert-schiro-sentenced-three-years-state" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mercurynews.com&#x2F;ci_20884491&#x2F;saratoga-businessman-...</a> )<p>I don&#x27;t advocate such, just a story and some bay area experiences I remember.
e40超过 9 年前
This is a very good example of the law of unintended consequences.
kzhahou超过 9 年前
The story in the intro doesnt match the well-publicized video of the accident, which is on YouTube. The driver does NOT switch into reverse, and the grandmother does not scream for the driver to stop. So unless there was another toddler run-over by a white vehicle in the same city, the driver just made shit up. WTH???
massysett超过 9 年前
The story emphasizes laws on monetary compensation for victims, which I think misses the point entirely. The real reason people are doing this is because they can commit murder and apparently they are not punished for it. If you deliberately run over a living person to kill him, that is murder.
ausjke超过 9 年前
Everything is about money when the amount is huge, anything else, including killing, comes to the second.<p>I don&#x27;t believe anyone enjoys killing there, however when it&#x27;s tied with huge chunks of money, many of them will choose to kill instead of leaving a disabled human being on wheelchair keeping asking for lifelong financial support. It&#x27;s indeed similar to the gun-shoot case in USA, either you don&#x27;t pull the trigger, or you make sure the target is absolutely dead, that explains some victims have lots of gunshots on their body.<p>The law must be adapted to deal with this.
argklm超过 9 年前
When the state only thinks about money, people will turn into objects. The population will start to see other humans less valuable than their dinner table and will do their best to exploit them. If you go to China you will see beautiful landscapes, the lineage of one of the most advanced cultures and you will see the pain and the loneliness of its inhabitants. The rest of the world didn&#x27;t cure the infection in time and now has grown to necrosis at the point that sociopathy it&#x27;s the norm rather than the exception.
bohrshaw超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m a native living in China. After glancing over the article, I don&#x27;t bother reading it in details. The title sounds ridiculous, but certainly marketable.<p>I see people here are generally sensible but also emotional. I don&#x27;t have country level statistics related to these extreme behaviors. But people around me are all very kind and I know many having very high standard of morality. We&#x27;re constantly chasing for the positive and good.
LiweiZ超过 9 年前
People&#x27;s actions are the reflection of the real laws&#x2F;rules in their group. And people tend to take advantage of it. Thinking about killing someone would make you lose way less, is it still a normal world? Why didn&#x27;t those &quot;killers&quot; take equivalent responsibilities? That&#x27;s the real why.
mgraczyk超过 9 年前
Did anybody watch the last video? It looks like the person with the young boy pushes the boy under the truck. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fzjfw.com&#x2F;xxzx&#x2F;aritcle194.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fzjfw.com&#x2F;xxzx&#x2F;aritcle194.html</a><p>I&#x27;m surprised that wasn&#x27;t explained in the article.
ilaksh超过 9 年前
I&#x27;d like to hear the Chinese perspective.<p>Also, what penalties do people pay in the US if they accidentally cripple someone?
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kelukelugames超过 9 年前
As a Chinese immigrant I am always baffled when Americans visit third world countries.
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iradik超过 9 年前
They don&#x27;t have car insurance in China?
Retric超过 9 年前
In many of these cases bribes are what get people off not stupidity.<p>PS: Granted, in a functional democracy changing the perverse incentives is a much better option. But, unfortunately in China the only reasonable response to this IMO is to find and brutally kill the driver and then publish this after the fact. Accidents happen, but murder should never end up as the &#x27;better&#x27; option.
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VarunAgw超过 9 年前
Please tell me this is not true. How someone can so ruthless? I just can&#x27;t believe this
pwthornton超过 9 年前
China is apparently a bigger hell hole than I could have ever imagined.
malkia超过 9 年前
I&#x27;ve heard of a similar story, but in a different context. One of the asian airlines (I don&#x27;t remember whether it was Taiwan, South Korean, etc.) had problems and lots of crashes. Turns out, people were not accustomed of questioning their bosses, and if this boss was your other co-pilot you would&#x27;ve never even try to correct them. I can&#x27;t find the article, but it went something like &quot;a western professor&quot; goes to the troubled company and fixes the problem &quot;overnight&quot; by simply retraining the employees that they should be able to judge their superiours.<p>I&#x27;m sorry for missing the critical part here - the actual article, but such cultural traits can definitely surprise people from other countries (like it did me with this one).
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mikerichards超过 9 年前
Holy cow, that&#x27;s some messed up shit. I&#x27;ve never heard of such a thing. And that they&#x27;re getting slaps on the wrists if any punishment at all because cops are believing their insane stories.<p>What a cultural mess.
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matt2000超过 9 年前
The fact that this story is the top of hacker news should indicate to us all that this site has lost what it had. How is this different than reddit? How do we want it to be different? This is simply a sensational, horrifying article that has been up voted because of its shock value. We can do better.
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droopybuns超过 9 年前
Why should I trust an article like this?<p>Outrageous claims. No sources. pageviews.exe
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netforay超过 9 年前
Even though it is something I wanted to know, unfortunately this is not a story that I want to read at hacker news.
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weirand超过 9 年前
In china where the population density is so high that there&#x27;s no room left for humanity.