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Five years, building a culture, and handing it off

83 点作者 tamersalama超过 9 年前

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teacup50超过 9 年前
Why does he holds up an engineering team of <i>250</i> engineers, all to maintain Etsy, as proving out his hypothesis?<p>That&#x27;s larger, by far, than engineering teams producing much larger, much more complex, much more involved pieces of software at Google, Apple, and Microsoft.<p>This &quot;success story&quot; is the kind of circular self-affirmation that can only emerge when you&#x27;ve been given a blank check, and nobody involved cares whether you&#x27;ve spent it wisely. It does nothing to support his belief in the efficacy of his &quot;heretical&quot; ideals, of which I find this one especially disconcerting:<p><i>&quot;You build a culture of learning by optimizing globally not locally. Your improvement, over time, as a team, with shared tools, practices and beliefs is more important than individual pockets of brilliance. And more satisfying.&quot;</i><p>Imagine if Facebook adopted this strategy, and thus, never hired the extremely smart engineers responsible for things like Hack, or their optimized PHP runtime.<p>How would they ever escape the costly orbit of PHP? How much more would they be spending on server resources, and how many more engineers would they have to hire to keep things running as they grew?
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jlarocco超过 9 年前
Not to rain on his parade too much, but a lot (most?) of his &quot;Five years ago...&quot; statements just aren&#x27;t true. Most of the ideas he says didn&#x27;t exist or where &quot;heretical&quot; five years ago were definitely around. More of them would be true if he said 15 years ago, but even then a few of them weren&#x27;t new ideas.<p>Or maybe he implicitly meant &quot;... at Etsy.&quot; in which case he may be 100% correct.
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andyidsinga超过 9 年前
&gt; modern software is a team sport.<p>I couldn&#x27;t agree with this more, especially when team count is &gt;= 2 &amp;&amp; &lt;= ~10.<p>...working hard during the <i>right</i> hours, eating together, paying attention to the boredom factor, showing each other cool moves ...er code, having each-other&#x27;s back when we&#x27;re injured, respecting our non-team lives, being supportive when a team member leaves for a new team.<p>good teams are painful to move on from ..the only salve being years of stories and mythology to drink beers over :)
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stephengillie超过 9 年前
Dupe from 4 days ago: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10156172" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10156172</a>
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ArekDymalski超过 9 年前
Very condensed experiences from Etsy’s CTO:<p>1: Nothing we “know” about software development should be assumed to be true.<p>2: Technology is the product of the culture that builds it.<p>3: Software development should be thought of as a cycle of continual learning and improvement rather a progression from start to finish, or a search for correctness.<p>4: You build a culture of learning by optimizing globally not locally.<p>5: If you want to build for the long term, the only guarantee is change.
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