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The Real Cuban Missile Crisis (2013)

83 点作者 ClintEhrlich超过 9 年前

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veddox超过 9 年前
I like the comparison to the current China situation at the end of the article. It&#x27;s true, China&#x27;s military power and aggression are always being hyped, but when you get down to it, when is the last time you heard about a Chinese cruiser in the Mediterranean, or a Chinese aircraft carrier off Greenland? And yet the States are moving their naval task forces across the world all the time.<p>Perhaps we really are experiencing a similar twisting of the public view of military politics as happened back then.
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js2超过 9 年前
(2013). This article is a review&#x2F;excerpt of <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Cuban-Missile-Crisis-American-Memory&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0804783772&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Cuban-Missile-Crisis-American-Memory&#x2F;d...</a> by Sheldon Stern, a former historian at the JFK library in Boston.<p>Two earlier books by the author:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Week-World-Stood-Still-Stanford&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0804750777&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Week-World-Stood-Still-Stanford&#x2F;dp&#x2F;080...</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Averting-Final-Failure-Meetings-Stanford&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0804748462&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Averting-Final-Failure-Meetings-Stanfo...</a><p>Some of the source material is available here:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;millercenter.org&#x2F;presidentialrecordings&#x2F;kennedy" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;millercenter.org&#x2F;presidentialrecordings&#x2F;kennedy</a>
RodericDay超过 9 年前
<i>In the 1960 presidential election, Kennedy had cynically attacked Richard Nixon from the right, claiming that the Eisenhower-Nixon administration had allowed a dangerous “missile gap” to grow in the U.S.S.R.’s favor. But in fact, just as Eisenhower and Nixon had suggested—and just as the classified briefings that Kennedy received as a presidential candidate indicated—the missile gap, and the nuclear balance generally, was overwhelmingly to America’s advantage.</i><p>I&#x27;m glad stuff like this would not happen in 2015
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ClintEhrlich超过 9 年前
I submitted this piece to HN because it exemplifies how useful falsehoods can permeate a free society. We laugh at North Korean propaganda, and rightly so. But if a well informed Russian watched <i>Thirteen Days</i>, I&#x27;m sure he would find it a laugh-inducing example of American nationalist indoctrination.<p>All of us think we know the story, but few Americans have ever had occasion to consider some basic questions, such as: Why was it acceptable for America to place nuclear missiles near Russia, but not for Russia to respond by placing nuclear missiles near America?<p>The Cuban Missile Crisis also offers a humbling illustration of how American democracy rarely passes accurate judgment on the performance of the president. No matter how many justifications or excuses one makes for Kennedy&#x27;s choices, there remains one inescapable fact: He brought the world as close to nuclear annihilation as it has ever come.<p>The successful &quot;quarantine&quot; that hagiographies of J.F.K. recount as his greatest diplomatic achievement almost destroyed the world, when American destroyers began dropping depth charges near a Soviet submarine in international waters. The submarine&#x27;s captain ordered the launch of a nuclear torpedo, and his decision was affirmed by the sub&#x27;s political officer — which normally would be enough to authorize the use of a nuclear weapon.<p>Why wasn&#x27;t the world transformed into a sphere of radioactive ice? Pure Serendipity. The commander of the Soviet flotilla happened to be present on the submarine, and he was able to convince his comrades to stand down.<p>Thus, the man we owe our lives to is not Kennedy, our national icon, but rather a guy named Василий Архипов, whom most Americans will never hear about. I named my cat &quot;Vasili&quot; in his honor.<p>Sometimes, when I&#x27;m petting him, I think about the constant gulf between perception and reality that I have witnessed firsthand. How often do we think that the right people receive credit or blame when software breaks or corporations implode? Why would we expect verism to prevail in even higher stakes domains, like world history?<p>I stand by what I wrote a couple years ago: &quot;[T]he highest entropy fields are also the ones with the highest stakes for society. For example, what were the consequences of American intervention against the Central Powers in World War I? They are difficult to fathom precisely because they were so immense. The problem is a combination of &#x27;causal density&#x27; and &#x27;holistic integration.&#x27; The more variables a decision affects, the harder it is to untangle the resulting chain of cause and effect. And if its consequences are far reaching, then there is rarely an opportunity to perform controlled experiments.<p>Thus, the experts who offer opinions about the momentous issues of our times are precisely those in whom we should have the least confidence. Their fields may appear prestigious because they involve matters of global importance, but there is a corollary decrease in the reliability of their insights.&quot;
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tome超过 9 年前
The leap from the specific to the general is <i>enormous</i> here. It&#x27;s certainly an interesting account of how the Cuban missile crisis became a crisis because of the Kennedys&#x27; political aspirations, not because of the machinations of the Soviets. However, there is then what seems to be a completely unjustified jump to the criticism of American global military strategy in general and I can&#x27;t see how that&#x27;s warranted.<p>EDIT: BTW, there are lots of interesting dissenting opinions in the comments section of the article.
Shtirlic超过 9 年前
it&#x27;s interesting, because they are doing it again via placing missile defense complexes with attacking potential in Europe.
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uniformlyrandom超过 9 年前
&gt; It is a stance toward the world that can easily doom the United States to military commitments and interventions in strategically insignificant places over intrinsically trivial issues<p>Can?
curiousjorge超过 9 年前
Read this in the book about him, Kennedy also had a &quot;back pain&quot; problem originating from the time where his patrol boat capsized and he barely lived through the WW2 war with Japan, and that drove him to stardom when he hit it off well with the moms who had their sons lost in the war.<p>The self prescription for Kennedy&#x27;s back pain? Pussy from many different women.<p>The Cuban Missile Crisis was directly on Kennedy&#x27;s hands, he directed the bombers and invasion based on his time zone and forgot to adjust it for cuban which resulted in b-52 bombers being decimated and the entire invasion blowing up.
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dpweb超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m not sure the new revalations here that prove the accusation that Kennedy caused the crisis. You would have to first, try to understand the cold war mentality prevalent at the time. Admittedly, the threat of Soviet expansion was at times exaggerated and grew to a paranoia, but still was a real threat.<p>We already know that Eisenhower, Nixon, and Kennedy all conspired to assasinate Castro. Kennedy invaded the country in the US sponsored Bay of Pigs. We know that the Cold War paranoia was used as a political tool particularly by Kennedy against Nixon in the 1960 election. We also know both the US and USSR were making provocative acts against the other.<p>What strikes me espeically is the argument here that, since McNamera said so, USSR putting nuclear missles 90 miles off the coast of Florida had no impact on the balance of power, ie.. not a real new threat - which means Kennedy should not have opposed that, at the risk of inflaming tensions. I just don&#x27;t find that a sensible argument.
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