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14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to School

1952 点作者 ahmad19526超过 9 年前

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dang超过 9 年前
Since [1] arguably counts as significant new information [2], I guess we&#x27;ll leave that one on the front page and demote this one as stale.<p>I don&#x27;t feel strongly about this other than not having the story occupy more than one spot on the front page, so if people have strong objections otherwise, we can adjust.<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10230696" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10230696</a><p>2. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10230555" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10230555</a>
nadams超过 9 年前
If anyone is actually surprised by the administrations intelligence - I should remind you of 3 events:<p>- A teacher confiscates Linux CDs claiming that the student was essentially distributing illegal copyrighted software - because no software is free [1]<p>- A system administrator was fired for installing&#x2F;running seti@home on school computers. There is a lot of controversy about this case - but I read one news article (that I can&#x27;t find right now) where the administration said they would have been ok with cancer research folding@home rather than searching for aliens with seti@home. This combined with the backpedaling of &quot;oh actually he was a bad employee, stole things, and cost the school millions in extra in electricity costs!&quot; makes me believe that they just wanted to use it as an excuse to fire him and make the position open for a friend&#x2F;relative. [2].<p>- Or an honor roll student suspended for buying candy from another student [3]. His statuses were only restored after it caught media attention.<p>I would go into my rant about the education system but you should just watch this video [4]<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;linuxlock.blogspot.com&#x2F;2008&#x2F;12&#x2F;linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;linuxlock.blogspot.com&#x2F;2008&#x2F;12&#x2F;linux-stop-holding-our...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;boinc.bakerlab.org&#x2F;rosetta&#x2F;forum_thread.php?id=5169" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;boinc.bakerlab.org&#x2F;rosetta&#x2F;forum_thread.php?id=5169</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20080313141623&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;edition.cnn.com&#x2F;2008&#x2F;US&#x2F;03&#x2F;12&#x2F;skittles.suspension.ap&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20080313141623&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;edition.cn...</a><p>[4] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U</a>
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austenallred超过 9 年前
This hits way too close to home. Not because I have brown skin, or because I&#x27;ve ever been arrested for making &quot;a bomb&quot; that is not a bomb, but because when you&#x27;re that age you&#x27;re constantly surrounded and disciplined by people who don&#x27;t understand you. Or what you&#x27;re doing. Or why it&#x27;s cool. I&#x27;d be willing to bet part of the reasoning around his arrest is, &quot;Why would a student need to make his own clock?&quot;<p>I wish I could reach out to the boy and say, &quot;Hey, it gets way better. Later on you can surround yourself with people who not only understand but respect you. You get to spend all day building cool stuff, and you actually get paid very well to do so.&quot;
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userbinator超过 9 年前
Apparently the authorities have determined that the best way to stop terrorism is to discourage any manifestation of personal intelligence, so that the population turns into mindless sheep. &quot;If you don&#x27;t know how to make a clock, you won&#x27;t know how to make a time bomb&quot; is their reasoning.<p>It is seriously disturbing.<p>I am reminded of stories of kids opening a command prompt and being accussed of &quot;hacking&quot;, only this is a far more extreme case.
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mbreese超过 9 年前
The real question here is: how can we help this kid? I&#x27;m not talking about from the legal perspective, but rather what can we (me, you, the larger tech world) do to make it so that this kid and others like him keep tinkering. He needs to know that what he built wasn&#x27;t wrong, it was awesome.
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jameshart超过 9 年前
A story.<p>So, this thirteen year old kid with a Syrian father once got flagged up by Hewlett Packard because he was ordering electronic components. I&#x27;m sure you can imagine what happened next...<p>Yeah, Bill Hewlett offered him a summer job, he got hooked on making stuff, wound up founding a company out of his garage with his buddy Steve Wozniak, and created the biggest electronics company in the world.<p>Thank goodness he never took a clock he&#x27;d built into school.
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ams6110超过 9 年前
Things are so different now. When I was in high school, all of the following were common:<p>- Boys carrying pocket knives&#x2F;hunting knives.<p>- Boys with firearms in their cars&#x2F;trucks so they could go hunting after school.<p>- Access to a wide variety of chemicals in chemistry class.<p>- Access to a wide variety of electrical and electronic components in physics class.<p>- Access to a wide variety of power and machine tools in industrial arts&#x2F;vocational classes.
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marnett超过 9 年前
This whole situation screams a breach of the poor boy&#x27;s liberties.<p>According to TEX. FAM. CODE §51.095 [1]:<p>In order for a custodial written statement to be admissible, the following sequence of events must occur: 1) the officer must take the child to a magistrate; 2) the magistrate must then inform the child of his rights to remain silent, to have an attorney appointed and present during questioning and to terminate the interview at any time; 3) the child must knowingly, intelligently and voluntarily waive his rights; 4) the officer may then take a statement from the child; and 5) upon completion of the statement, the child shall be taken before the magistrate again and sign the statement in the presence of the magistrate (and outside the presence of the officer), who will then certify the statement.<p>This makes me sick that this kid was seemingly wrongfully interrogated. Sad to see that &#x27;doing science while brown&#x27; results in him being treated as a second class citizen.<p>[1]<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tmcec.com&#x2F;public&#x2F;files&#x2F;File&#x2F;Course%20Materials&#x2F;FY13&#x2F;Judges&#x2F;Tyler&#x2F;Johnson%20-%20Juvenile%20Statements%20for%20Magistrates%20-%20BINDER.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tmcec.com&#x2F;public&#x2F;files&#x2F;File&#x2F;Course%20Materials&#x2F;FY...</a>
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ahmad19526超过 9 年前
Go into any Electrical Engineering department at any university and you&#x27;ll find plenty of students with boxes filled with circuit boards and electronics.<p>Everybody who&#x27;s played with electronics knows that stuff is brittle and needs to be protected carefully. One wire coming loose renders your entire work obsolete and unlike software, there&#x27;s no debugger to tell you where you potentially screwed up...<p>Racial profiling and ignorance at it&#x27;s finest.
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ceejayoz超过 9 年前
&gt; Children are encouraged “specifically [to] not bring items to school that are prohibited.”<p>What, clocks? Or the NASA t-shirt he was wearing? (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;PMgDR7m.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;PMgDR7m.jpg</a>)
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d0ne超过 9 年前
President Obama has extended an invite to Ahmed to show his clock off at the White House: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;potus&#x2F;status&#x2F;644193755814342656" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;potus&#x2F;status&#x2F;644193755814342656</a>
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ZachWick超过 9 年前
This hits close to home for me too, and I am as WASP-y as it gets.<p>Just over a year ago I was flying to the middle of US with some prototypes for an agriculural automation system in my checked luggage. Going through DTW and O&#x27;Hare to my final destination was fine and went without incident. On my way back, again with a checked luggage bag of protypes and tools, this little airport in northwest IA got evacauted and I was very forcibly questioned about why I was flying with these things.<p>What struck me was that the larger airports (DTW and O&#x27;Hare) couldn&#x27;t have cared less, but this 5-gate airport in IA freaked out that somebody flying with three laptops in his carryon would also have a bag of tools and equipment.<p>The best part out of all of this was after everything was cleared up, I asked the head TSA person what I should do in the future to prevent getting searched and interrogated. His answer was &quot;just open your bag and show the luggage agent what is in it.&quot; I still don&#x27;t understand how that would help - I envision that the conversation would go something like &quot;Hi, these look like pipe bombs. They aren&#x27;t. You can trust me.&quot; and I would immediately be detained.<p>(Edited for formatting)
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samsnelling超过 9 年前
QOTD from dallas news article: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dallasnews.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;community-news&#x2F;northwest-dallas-county&#x2F;headlines&#x2F;20150915-irving-9th-grader-arrested-after-taking-homemade-clock-to-school.ece" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dallasnews.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;community-news&#x2F;northwest-dall...</a><p>&quot;He’s vowed never to take an invention to school again.” what a place of learning!
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ryanlol超过 9 年前
What the hell is a fake bomb? How does a schoolteacher know what a &quot;bomb&quot; looks like? Are we talking about an IED here? That could be literally any fucking thing.<p>I really doubt that this clock looked even remotely like any of the industrially made ready-to-use explosives.<p>Sometimes I can&#x27;t help feeling like some people should be forcibly removed from the gene pool.
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chrisBob超过 9 年前
People are so worried about terrorists. Guess what: they won! If you don&#x27;t believe me then try getting on a commercial flight, or try bringing a cool electronics project to school some time.<p>The <i>hoax bomb</i> charge that they are still considering doesn&#x27;t make sense to me. As someone who has seen a lot of improvised explosive devices[0] &quot;hoax&quot; means something very specific. I occasionally encountered hoax devices which were deliberately placed to monitor our response. Finding one meant you could be sure you were on camera. Here the police seem to use &quot;hoax&quot; to mean someone got scared of an empty cardboard box, or in this case a cool electronics project. The difference is intent just like selling oregeno or baby powder can get you in trouble for selling drugs if you are portraying it that way. Having something suspicious means it should be investigated, but it shouldn&#x27;t be a crime unless it is intentionally portrayed as an illegal object.<p>[0] Roughly 100 in Baghdad in 2005.
makecheck超过 9 年前
Of course the reaction to this is completely insane but what&#x27;s even sillier is that they&#x27;re continuing to assume that real threats would be things that they can see. If someone wanted to blow up a building they could hide a bomb in a backpack among hundreds of others and never show it to anyone.<p>It&#x27;s the same crap they pull at the airport where you <i>must</i> throw out your bottled water; and then their solution is to toss this bottle, which was classified a minute ago as a serious threat, into a pile of other unverified &quot;threats&quot; in the middle of a densely-populated area of the airport. How this kind of thing has gone YEARS without any serious backslash is amazing to me.<p>It is so out of hand. While certainly bad things have happened and could happen, statistically modern society is pretty safe and we all have to stop being so damn scared of every little thing.
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god_bless_texas超过 9 年前
You can&#x27;t legislate intelligence. Yesterday I went to my daughter&#x27;s school&#x27;s open house. When I entered, I was cornered by an administrator and told I had to sign some paperwork before I left. It was the computer policy. After I signed it, the admin said my daughter had to sign it too. She&#x27;s 4.
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witty_username超过 9 年前
&gt; The newspaper quoted a police spokesman, James McLellan, as saying that Ahmed never claimed his device was anything but a clock, and the police have no reason to think it was dangerous.<p>But officers still did not believe Ahmed was giving them the whole story.<p>“We have no information that he claimed it was a bomb,” Mr. McLellan said. “He kept maintaining it was a clock, but there was no broader explanation.<p>“It could reasonably be mistaken as a device if left in a bathroom or under a car. The concern was, what was this thing built for? Do we take him into custody?”<p>Duh, the thing tells the time. And are they saying that if I don&#x27;t explain why I made something it can be presumed to be a bomb? (especially given &quot;and the police have no reason to think it was dangerous.&quot;)
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Stubb超过 9 年前
Stupid kid confused school with a place that supported learning and curiosity.<p>I&#x27;m pretty sure that I wouldn&#x27;t make it through high school today.
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Navarr超过 9 年前
It is definitely profiling and I bet his race had a lot to do with it.<p>But I think the same thing would&#x27;ve happened if I had brought such a device to school - having been a super dark dressed goth in school, the fear would&#x27;ve been it&#x27;s a bomb.<p>Schools are generally very very extra worried about everything these days, suspending him was unnecessary but with it only being three days I don&#x27;t see it being a terrible thing. The record will get set straight.<p>So then this just falls back to being unfortunate racial profiling.
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cldwalker超过 9 年前
If you&#x27;re angry with the school&#x27;s horrible reaction to this, let Jose Parra, <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irvingisd.net&#x2F;Page&#x2F;3010" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irvingisd.net&#x2F;Page&#x2F;3010</a>, know: (972) 600-5001 &#x2F; jparra@irvingisd.net. He can fire the principal of that school - Dan Cummings
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hoopism超过 9 年前
I think we&#x27;re making too big of an issue of this. The trial has already taken place and the boy was found to not float... so it turns out he must be guilty.<p>God forbid that an officer drops his walkie talkie and discovers that IT TOO IS A POTENTIAL BOMB! I mean, it has wires and circuits...<p>The ignorance here is astounding. I suppose he&#x27;s lucky they didn&#x27;t also try him as a warlock for summoning electricity from a magical box.
chipgap98超过 9 年前
That letter from the school just adds insult to injury.<p>&gt; talk with your child about the Student Code of Conduact and specifically not bringing items to school that are prohibited<p>Since when can you not bring a clock to school?
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SovietDissident超过 9 年前
So he has a Muslim name, which is why this story went viral. Because racism. I hope everyone is equally outraged by the nonsense that happens all the time[0][1] to kids who aren&#x27;t named Mohammad in public schools.<p>Sending your high IQ kids to school with adults who are batting 85 should be regarded as parental malpractice. And the notion that people defend public schools and tell us taxpayers they just &quot;need more money!1!!1&quot; flies in the face of reason and the facts (per pupil spending since the 60s has tripled with no change in test scores).[2]<p>Public schools suck by their very nature as state-controlled entities. If education is so important (especially today), why do we allow our kids to be taught and schools administered by the equivalents of DMV employees? Of course the poorest kids with broken families suffer the most.<p>And what happens when charter schools actually succeed? The Teachers Union is there to try and shut them down, with the help of sympathetic politicians (see NYC and de Blasio)[3]<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.roanoke.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;columns_and_blogs&#x2F;columns&#x2F;dan_casey&#x2F;casey-not-pot-leaf-gets-th-grader-in-big-trouble&#x2F;article_67dc2868-0f0a-53c0-96ad-595a88391aa3.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.roanoke.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;columns_and_blogs&#x2F;columns&#x2F;dan_ca...</a> [1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wjla.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;local&#x2F;family-of-md-boy-suspended-for-pop-tart-gun-wants-his-suspension-record-expunged-106748" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wjla.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;local&#x2F;family-of-md-boy-suspended-for-po...</a> [2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politifact.com&#x2F;virginia&#x2F;statements&#x2F;2015&#x2F;mar&#x2F;02&#x2F;dave-brat&#x2F;brat-us-school-spending-375-percent-over-30-years-&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politifact.com&#x2F;virginia&#x2F;statements&#x2F;2015&#x2F;mar&#x2F;02&#x2F;da...</a> [3] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;06&#x2F;16&#x2F;nyregion&#x2F;success-academy-charter-schools-force-mayor-bill-de-blasio-to-confront-new-law.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;06&#x2F;16&#x2F;nyregion&#x2F;success-academy-c...</a>
VincentEvans超过 9 年前
Personally, i wasn&#x27;t surprised at the display of racially-biased fear at the sight of device that appears to a bystander to look like a bomb. People are people.<p>But why did it need to lead to arrest, hand cuffs, finger printing after an interview and a casual examination of the device clearly demonstrated it was a clock (there was an engineering teacher who could easily collaborate)? It was an outright excessive reaction to further compound what was a regrettable mistake.
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zaphar超过 9 年前
In the article it mentions that his engineering teacher advised him to hide it from the other staff. Which is confusing to me. The teacher obviously knew it wasn&#x27;t a bomb and obviously knew the other staff would misinterpret this. So why didn&#x27;t the teacher preempt this whole thing by advising the school that &quot;Yes, this kid brought in a clock to show me. No, it&#x27;s not a bomb no matter how scary it looks.&quot;
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ceejayoz超过 9 年前
A similar example: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.miaminewtimes.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;florida-teen-girl-charged-with-felony-after-science-experiment-goes-bad-6521288" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.miaminewtimes.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;florida-teen-girl-charged-...</a> &#x2F; <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;magazine.good.is&#x2F;articles&#x2F;people-are-awesome-teen-arrested-for-science-experiment-now-heading-to-space-camp" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;magazine.good.is&#x2F;articles&#x2F;people-are-awesome-teen-arr...</a>
jschwartzi超过 9 年前
When I was in high school there was a guy there we all nicknamed terrorist because he always played for the terrorists in Counterstrike. When the school found out they expelled him and sent the cops out to his place. The cops found nothing, and the school didn&#x27;t actually have anything to go on, but they still kicked him out for a week, all over a nickname.
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peeters超过 9 年前
This is the crux of the issue:<p>&gt; “We have no information that he claimed it was a bomb,” Mr. McLellan said. “He kept maintaining it was a clock, but there was no broader explanation.&quot;<p>Creative people don&#x27;t need to have a good reason to make something. They create things because there is joy and satisfaction in creating things. It&#x27;s a shame Mr. McLellan had such a boring childhood.
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frederickf超过 9 年前
The Irving ISD Student Code of Conduct, which the principle alleges the student to have broken, can be downloaded at <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irvingisd.net&#x2F;Page&#x2F;5183" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irvingisd.net&#x2F;Page&#x2F;5183</a>.<p>I couldn&#x27;t find anything in there prohibiting a clock or other non-communication related electronic devices. I didn&#x27;t read every word so maybe I missed something.<p>I did find the following under the prohibited items section: &quot;Any articles not generally considered to be weapons, including school supplies, when the principal or designee determines that a danger exists.&quot;<p>But that would seem to create a dilemma in this situation. If it was a bomb it wouldn&#x27;t be covered by that stipulation, but if it was a clock then no reasonable person could consider it to be dangerous.<p>If we&#x27;re being charitable we could assume the principled believed it was a bomb at the time, in which case it would have been covered by other stipulations in the code. But if that is the case then I would think the school should have been evacuated. I don&#x27;t know if that happened or not.<p>Also, good lord, I don&#x27;t ever remember having to sign something like that document (it&#x27;s a 44 page document that reads like a contract) when I was in school. Is it even legally binding to have a minor sign that?
skbohra123超过 9 年前
Many comments here on HN seem to feel that this is an issue with Education system or schools. But I as a non American feel is that a common American is too afraid of anything non American or anything strange. The main objective of terrorist organizations is to instill fear in the minds of people and I think they have succeeded in it to a greater extent.
rogual超过 9 年前
The look on the kid&#x27;s face in that first photo says it all, really.<p>Welcome to Earth, kid. These will be your fellow human beings. Enjoy your stay.
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sirtaj超过 9 年前
Perfect trifecta of bigotry, ignorance and cowardice. And at a school too, where any number of apparently educated staff could have verified what the device was in a moment. Great job!
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confiscate超过 9 年前
The police knew it wasn&#x27;t a bomb the moment they saw it. Otherwise they would have called in the bomb squad right away.<p>The fact that they continued to play games and arrest the kid is not for &quot;safety&quot;. It&#x27;s clear they arrested him because of racism.
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punnerud超过 9 年前
The letter to this parents: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jkfecke&#x2F;status&#x2F;644094380534591488&#x2F;photo&#x2F;1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jkfecke&#x2F;status&#x2F;644094380534591488&#x2F;photo&#x2F;...</a>
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Animats超过 9 年前
What probably happened here is that the kid bought one of the many digital clock board kits available.[1][2] The problem is that these look just like the TV&#x2F;movie version of bombs, because, of course, prop people use the same boards.<p>Not real bombs, though. Richard Marcinko, the founder of Seal Team Six, once wrote that he&#x27;d blown up a lot of things in his career and he&#x27;d never seen a count down timer with glowing numbers.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.instructables.com&#x2F;id&#x2F;How-to-make-a-digital-clock-kit-based-on-Atmel&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.instructables.com&#x2F;id&#x2F;How-to-make-a-digital-clock-...</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sparkfun.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;10930" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sparkfun.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;10930</a>
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BurningFrog超过 9 年前
Some true stories go viral because they &quot;confirm&quot; what a lot of people think is wrong with society.<p>Because they go viral, there is a lot of talk about them, which &quot;confirms&quot; even further that this is a Big Problem, and that it is caused by What I&#x27;ve Been Saying All Along.<p>In reality this is one single idiotic decision by some local knuckleheads. As a social science study, it has a sample size of 1 and a huge selection bias. The problems you think it &quot;shows&quot; <i>may well be real</i>, but retelling this anecdote does not prove that.
pppp超过 9 年前
If police really thought this was a bomb, why didn&#x27;t they evacuate the school and call the bomb squad? Their motives are suspect.
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TheRealDunkirk超过 9 年前
The real problem here is that everyone in positions of responsibility in the government -- the school and the police -- feel the need to justify their existence by doing... something. The default action of the school is to call the police, and then what? You have only 4 outcomes once the police are involved: 1) nothing, 2) citation, 3) arrest, 4) death. How many times do the police just walk away from something? That&#x27;s right. So (1) isn&#x27;t really an option at all. Citation? For what? They were trying, but you don&#x27;t write tickets for making &quot;hoax bombs.&quot; Killing a scrawny 14-year-old kid is extreme, even for the most jaded cop, so that leaves (3), arrest. Then the legal system has to justify IT&#x27;S existence, and, well, we know how this goes. Then the ACLU has to get all up in it, and probably CAIR, and the Justice Department. All because everyone has abandoned their common sense and replaced it with fear and deference to the State since 9&#x2F;11. Thanks, Bush AND Obama.
andrewpi超过 9 年前
This really reminded me of the Star Simpson case. The police actually held her at gunpoint so it was perhaps even worse: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tech.mit.edu&#x2F;V127&#x2F;N40&#x2F;simpson.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tech.mit.edu&#x2F;V127&#x2F;N40&#x2F;simpson.html</a>
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ja27超过 9 年前
Students all over the country should bring digital clocks and circuits to school this week as a protest.
dovereconomics超过 9 年前
Honestly, more and more, I challenge the idea of ever having a child: bright and smart kids have never been so intimidated.<p>Many of the hacks I did as a child could have gotten me in jail today. Something &#x27;silly&#x27; or &#x27;funny&#x27; becomes dangerous&#x2F;offensive&#x2F;harassment; creativity, ingenuity and imagination are turned into dullness, self-hatred and nihilism.
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ahmadss超过 9 年前
Here&#x27;s President Obama&#x27;s tweet on the matter --<p>&quot;Cool clock, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White House? We should inspire more kids like you to like science. It&#x27;s what makes America great.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;POTUS&#x2F;status&#x2F;644193755814342656" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;POTUS&#x2F;status&#x2F;644193755814342656</a>
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cphoover超过 9 年前
This is outrageous... They need to offer a public apology to this kid, and take punitive actions against the administrators involved.
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carrja99超过 9 年前
Well this is what happens when you blare Islamophobia from all the twenty-four hour &quot;news&quot; channels.
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pathdependent超过 9 年前
I posted this once regarding a related incident, but it&#x27;s appropriate here too.<p>One day in college, a friend and I decided to pack a plastic bottle with dry ice and hot water. In our hung over state, we thought this would be fun to watch. I was in my apartment. It took all of five seconds to realize that I couldn&#x27;t rip apart the bottle. So, if the force of this explosion was sufficient to do so, it was probably really fucking dangerous. I figured it was too late to take the cap off -- the bottle was already making weird sounds. So, I threw it in the bathroom tub, and shut the door. Two minutes went by, and I felt momentarily foolish. Almost as I thought &quot;nothing is going to happen,&quot; it exploded. The force knocked my friend to the ground. Granted she was tiny, and it was partly from fear, but I felt the shock wave rattle my bones.<p>I lived in the more expensive apartment building on campus. No one even came to say, &quot;what&#x27;s going on.&quot; If they did, they would have seen the bent metal of the tub&#x27;s faucet.<p>And, that was accidentally but <i>very literally a bomb</i>.
QUFB超过 9 年前
Looks like he&#x27;s been invited to the White House:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;POTUS&#x2F;status&#x2F;644193755814342656" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;POTUS&#x2F;status&#x2F;644193755814342656</a>
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kazinator超过 9 年前
&quot;You are under arrest for making a circuit board with a clock display, while bearing a name such as &#x27;Ahmed Mohamed&#x27; and exhibiting a brown appearance.&quot;
earleybird超过 9 年前
It seems Amazons recommendation system has acquired &#x27;irony&#x27; - it&#x27;s recommending <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.ca&#x2F;Elements-Computing-Systems-Building-Principles&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0262640686" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.ca&#x2F;Elements-Computing-Systems-Building-Pri...</a>. If I acquire it, I will then have to hide it from my son lest he build something and show it to his high school teacher.
mikehollinger超过 9 年前
It&#x27;s remarkable the difference that ~20 years can make. In middle school, someone&#x27;s science fair project was building an actual briefcase bomb (with clay). It had a variety of sensors, and laid out (on a tri-fold poster board, of course) the guts of how each one worked.
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eastbayjake超过 9 年前
This seems like a great opportunity for us to show our support for kids who build things. Would anyone be interested in a GoFundMe to get Ahmed some Arduino gear or send him to an electronics camp? (I would just create one but I&#x27;m not sure what people would most readily donate toward -- gear or scholarship funds.)
richardwigley超过 9 年前
14 year old boy is going to meet POTUS and he can bring his cool clock. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;POTUS&#x2F;status&#x2F;644193755814342656" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;POTUS&#x2F;status&#x2F;644193755814342656</a>
aarestad超过 9 年前
Hey Ahmed - if you&#x27;re reading this, post the plans to your clock. I&#x27;d love to build one in solidarity with you.
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rsingel超过 9 年前
Why is this a link to an aggregation piece by TechCrunch, rather than the original reported story by Dallas Morning News? <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dallasnews.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;community-news&#x2F;northwest-dallas-county&#x2F;headlines&#x2F;20150915-irving-ninth-grader-arrested-after-taking-homemade-clock-to-school.ece" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dallasnews.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;community-news&#x2F;northwest-dall...</a>
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norea-armozel超过 9 年前
I just been reading about this morning and all I can say is what the hell is going on in Dallas? I mean when I was a kid I brought to school a model rocket with some solid rocket engines and all that happened to me was the rocket and engines were held by the principal until my parents could pick them up. But a kid making a clock gets arrested? Seriously, wtf is going over there in Dallas?
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fudgy73超过 9 年前
Being handcuffed is the worst thing I have ever felt. It is inhumane and should not be practiced in a civilized society. The fact that a 14 year old child with that look on his face felt it makes my blood boil.
tcfunk超过 9 年前
They can probably change the title to &quot;14 YO boy arrested for not being white and having the name Ahmed Mohamed&quot;.
pavornyoh超过 9 年前
A picture of the clock in question would have been nice for inquiring minds to see..
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wolfwyrd超过 9 年前
More discussion here - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10226196" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10226196</a>
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nsxwolf超过 9 年前
I don&#x27;t understand where the race angle is coming from. How is this definitely a case of &quot;making while brown&quot;? What&#x27;s the evidence, besides the kid&#x27;s brown skin?<p>I <i>would</i> &quot;stand with Ahmed&quot;, but if that means being attached to race baiting and Islamophobia accusations, I won&#x27;t.
zyxley超过 9 年前
&gt; Update at 11:20 a.m. Wednesday: At a press conference this morning, Irving Police Chief Larry Boyd said Ahmed Mohamed was arrested for bringing &quot;a hoax bomb&quot; to school -- and not a clock, as Mohamed said he repeatedly told his teachers.<p>&gt; But, Boyd said, &quot;we are confident it&#x27;s not an explosive device&quot; intended to cause &quot;alarm.&quot; Rather, he said, officers determined it was &quot;a hoax bomb&quot; and a &quot;naive accident.&quot;<p>&gt; As a result, he said, no charges will be filed against Ahmed, and &quot;the case is considered closed.&quot; He also said &quot;the reaction would have been the same regardless&quot; of the student&#x27;s skin color.
ambrop7超过 9 年前
When I was in high school (in Slovenia), I have actually brought a home-made &quot;bomb&quot; to school. It had an LCD and a keypad, you would arm it and it would count down while beeping with increasing frequency, unless you entered the correct deactivation code.<p>Nobody mistook it for a real bomb and nobody had any trouble with it, except for when it was set up in the middle of class to annoy the teacher :)<p>A later improvement was the addition of &quot;detorator circuit&quot; based on the flash electronics for a disposable camera, and you could hook up something like a resistor to it which would then be fried by who knows how many volts...
rflrob超过 9 年前
I don&#x27;t want to suggest that what the school and police did to this guy is anything but terrible, but I suspect that he&#x27;ll actually be fine in the long run. If I were an admissions officer at MIT, I&#x27;d jump at the chance to admit someone with an essay &quot;I was arrested for building a clock&quot;.<p>I think the bigger concern is all the people who get in trouble with the powers that be, and don&#x27;t have media savvy parents with time or knowledge or connections to get something in the local paper and&#x2F;or get in touch with civil rights organizations.
TomGullen超过 9 年前
It really saddens me that this kid (or other kids in similar circumstances) could find the experience so traumatising that they lose the motivation&#x2F;interest to pursue these creative activities.
electic超过 9 年前
Frankly, if someone showed up with a clock and a circuit board with wires leading to a box on the board, what would people think? Keep in mind, there have been multiple mass shootings at schools already this year. They have to investigate it.<p>What if someone showed up to the mall with a gun in an open-carry setting? People panic.[2] The setting matters. Especially if the setting in question, a school, has been a victim of mass violence numerous times. This is not a HP lab. They were right to take a look at the device with police. However, this is where things went terribly wrong:<p>&gt; When Ahmed was called out of class, he said he was brought into a room with four police officers, one of whom said, &quot;Yup. That&#x27;s who I thought it was.&quot; [1]<p>Frankly, the school and police should have been more professional. They weren&#x27;t. What is more disturbing, is the police have inadvertently admitted they are profiling people in this community. There is far more details in the CNN article:<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnn.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;16&#x2F;us&#x2F;texas-student-ahmed-muslim-clock-bomb&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnn.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;16&#x2F;us&#x2F;texas-student-ahmed-muslim-...</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fayobserver.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;local&#x2F;fort-bragg-soldier-armed-at-cross-creek-mall-sparks-gun&#x2F;article_01e2e2a6-2fd1-5e88-bd0f-ee0d3990ed63.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fayobserver.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;local&#x2F;fort-bragg-soldier-arm...</a>
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austenallred超过 9 年前
Here&#x27;s a photo of the device he was arrested for having: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;upANL9d.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;upANL9d.jpg</a>
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jrarredondo超过 9 年前
Texas Education Agency (TEA)&#x27;s Accountability Report shows &quot;NO DISTINCTION&quot; for Science at MacArthur High School in 2015.<p>You would think these teachers would appreciate all the help they can get to earn some distinction in Sciences.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ritter.tea.state.tx.us&#x2F;perfreport&#x2F;account&#x2F;2015&#x2F;static&#x2F;summary&#x2F;campus&#x2F;c057912003.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ritter.tea.state.tx.us&#x2F;perfreport&#x2F;account&#x2F;2015&#x2F;static...</a>
postitnotecode超过 9 年前
Their twitter page promoted their first &quot;maker space&quot; which I have trouble squaring with this story. Is the message the school wants to send: creation, making, and learning is very very dangerous and only allowed under strict supervision?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;MacReads&#x2F;status&#x2F;643784222394552320&#x2F;photo&#x2F;1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;MacReads&#x2F;status&#x2F;643784222394552320&#x2F;photo...</a>
troels超过 9 年前
Is it legal to search and interrogate a juvenile, without the parents present, in Texas?
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unfamiliar超过 9 年前
Something doesn&#x27;t seem quite right about this story. He made a clock and then chose to store it in a metal briefcase with the numbers on the outside. In other words, he built something that looks exactly like a bomb from a movie: briefcase with red numbers on it. Maybe this appearance was entirely accidental; but I would bet that he originally intended it to look like a bomb, probably for humour.
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fapjacks超过 9 年前
This isn&#x27;t surprising to hear coming from Texas, the state where legislation has titles like &quot;The Save Orphans of Firemen Act&quot; but actually when you read it, you find out they just want to bulldoze some poor peoples&#x27; homes on the east side of town to build a dump. And the bill includes some gerrymandering in the Ferengi print. Texas is like that.
_ls7m超过 9 年前
For the purpose of being fully informed, and because you won&#x27;t see this photo shown much, here is the homemade clock that Ahmed brought to school. [1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;AP_250782557912-582x462.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;AP_250782557...</a><p>Regardless of what someone looks like or what their name is, if you see them at a school with a device like this and it&#x27;s beeping, I think it&#x27;s reasonable to call the police. Allow them to come and have someone with expertise ensure that it isn&#x27;t a bomb and determine the student&#x27;s intention. Hopefully the police that arrive do their job well - with diligence, compassion, professionalism, and without animosity or bias.<p>Police were called, he was detained and questioned, and then released without charges [2]. It&#x27;s a tragedy that we see bombings and shootings in schools - but we do see them, and far too often. These are the times we live in. So how should this have been handled?<p>Hopefully Ahmed doesn&#x27;t lose any passion for science or electronics because of this afternoon, but I think if people handle the situation with rational thought rather than instigation, then he will have a much better chance at that.<p>1. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;heres-bomb-clock-got-ahmed-mohamed-arrested&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;heres-bomb-clock-got-ahmed-moha...</a> 2. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;morning-mix&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;16&#x2F;they-thought-it-was-a-bomb-ahmed-mohamed-texas-9th-grader-arrested-after-bringing-a-home-built-clock-to-school&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;morning-mix&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;16...</a>
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davewasthere超过 9 年前
I used to make FM transmitters (very small &#x27;bugs&#x27;) and take them to school to sell.<p>But I was white, so unlikely to get arrested&#x2F;expelled.
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wdhilliard超过 9 年前
Why is there never any intelligent person with enough of a moral compass to intervene and tell these people to leave the kid alone?
thebouv超过 9 年前
My daughter is about to work on a IoT-ish wearable using conductive thread, a LilyPad Arduino board and battery pack. As a school project.<p>I&#x27;ll report back if she ends up in prison. It&#x27;s not Texas, but Indiana isn&#x27;t much brighter unfortunately.<p>(Thankfully the school is more hippy than dippy, and the teachers are aware and excited about the project).
snarfy超过 9 年前
This really needs to end in a civil lawsuit.
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Macsenour超过 9 年前
When I was ten, 1971, I asked my father for a chemistry set for Christmas. My parents were divorced so when vacation was over, I had to return to living with my mother. This involved a short plane ride from SoCal to NorCal on PSA. I was traveling by myself.<p>I recall putting my bags on a table so they the airlines people could look at what I was taking on the plane. When the FLIGHT ATTENDANT looked at my chemistry set, she turned to another official and said: &quot;He could make a bomb out of these chemicals&quot;, My first reaction was to laugh.<p>I waited a minute while the adults thought it over and said: &quot;I&#x27;m 10, I don&#x27;t know how to make a bomb or anything. I jusy got this for christmas!&quot;<p>They taped it up and made me check it, so I could not carry it on to the plane. To this day I marvel at the idea that a child would be suspected of making a chemical bomb.
eldude超过 9 年前
&gt; In short, Ahmed was arrested for making while brown.<p>This sort of demagoguery masquerading as journalism has got to stop. Upvoting exploitative personal political propaganda like this contributes to an atmosphere of narrow-mindedness on HN that plays to the bigotry of its readers, with the majority of comments here responding in like.<p>I&#x27;m certainly not defending it, but in reality this sort of (over) reaction, is perfectly explainable when you consider the risk of government employees responsible for the lives of children NOT reacting and being wrong.<p>Yes, those involved need some education, but no more so than the author regarding journalistic ethics, or the commenters here stirring up a witch-hunt. You can see all the anti-Texan&#x2F;Conservative&#x2F;School&#x2F;Government-ists overreacting here right on cue.
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xacaxulu超过 9 年前
The Nanny State didn&#x27;t Show Up, You Hired It.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.freerepublic.com&#x2F;focus&#x2F;bloggers&#x2F;3095062&#x2F;posts" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.freerepublic.com&#x2F;focus&#x2F;bloggers&#x2F;3095062&#x2F;posts</a>
sgustard超过 9 年前
This is the logical result of &quot;if you see something, say something.&quot;<p>And, I can assure you that almost any science fair project found in a bathroom or under a car would look suspicious. So would a backpack or cardboard box.
jobu超过 9 年前
<i>&quot;Because it consisted of a board with a digital display and a tiger hologram on the front, the teacher recommended he hide it from the rest of the staff.</i>&quot;<p>Anyone know why the teacher had him hide it? Are they restricted from having electronic devices and toys at school? Is it because the teacher thought it looked suspicious?<p>Either way it&#x27;s unfortunate that the teacher didn&#x27;t just ask to hold on to it until after school was out. If one reasonable adult had stood up for him before another adult freaked then it may not have been an issue.
andygambles超过 9 年前
POTUS liked it <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;potus&#x2F;status&#x2F;644193755814342656" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;potus&#x2F;status&#x2F;644193755814342656</a>
jonnyisbad超过 9 年前
Condition 1. As long as teachers are drawn from most the lowest deciles of the graduating class, this will continue.<p>Condition 2. As long as we fail to value the education of children, Condition 1 will continue<p>Condition 3. As long as the majority of parent perceive that the life outcome of their children are less important than the parent&#x27;s own desires for money, assets, sexual intercourse and self validation, Condition 2 will continue<p>Condition 4. As long we are humans, Condition 3 will continue.<p>Iterate ad infinitum ( or recurse if you love Lambda )
brianmcconnell超过 9 年前
Next time he should build a cuckoo clock that shouts Allahu Akbar.
sarne777超过 9 年前
This doesn&#x27;t surprise me. People are paranoid about bombs and terrorism, and most average people have never seen an exposed circuit board. To them anything with a circuit board and wires looks like the bombs they&#x27;ve seen on TV. I&#x27;ve had an arduino hooked up to an ipod for an art installation confiscated by police. Of course part of the problem was lack of communication by the administrators who had given approval for the project.
ChuckMcM超过 9 年前
This sort of thing is very sad, and a symptom of a larger problem. School district policy is a largely political process with a variety of actors with their agendas involved. Making effective change involves people with children in those schools coming together and making their opinions known. We have had a couple of successes in the bay area using NextDoor as a communication portal for this sort of activism.
ignoramous超过 9 年前
I find &#x27;Refuse to be Terrorized&#x27; by Bruce Schneier to be an excellent account of mindset of people in a post 9&#x2F;11 world: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.wired.com&#x2F;politics&#x2F;security&#x2F;commentary&#x2F;securitymatters&#x2F;2006&#x2F;08&#x2F;71642?currentPage=all" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.wired.com&#x2F;politics&#x2F;security&#x2F;commentary&#x2F;securi...</a>
chromaton超过 9 年前
I&#x27;d love to send this kid a gift certificate for some free waterjet and laser cutting. Does anyone know how to get in touch with the family?
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danjayh超过 9 年前
Anyone have any actual technical details on what Mohamed built? Judging from the pics I&#x27;ve seen, it&#x27;s clearly a commercial PCB. I&#x27;m wondering if maybe he worked out a power supply or display driver himself or if he simply re-homed a commercial clock into a cooler case... I don&#x27;t expect that anyone in the &#x27;news&#x27; actually cares enough to go into detail.
CIPHERSTONE超过 9 年前
When tasked with the protection of human capital, it&#x27;s not a big surprise that the administration takes the most extreme response when confronted with uncertainty. That being said, the Engineering professor could have prevented the whole situation if he had just kept it in his class for the rest of the day instead of advising the student to &quot;hide it&quot;.
mc32超过 9 年前
Making while brown, really? That&#x27;s the best explosive phrase they could come up with?<p>Maybe it was stereotyping of one kind of another or maybe not. When Asians or whites are arrested under questionable judgement is it also appropriate to say making while while or Asian?<p>Dammit, there is an injustice here, but going inflammatory is not helpful. Who does the editing for tv? Are the awol?
riebschlager超过 9 年前
What&#x27;s <i>incredibly</i> sad to me is all the kids whose parents wouldn&#x27;t let them leave the house with a homemade clock.<p>&quot;What are you doing? If you take that to school they&#x27;ll think it&#x27;s a bomb!&quot;<p>Even Ahmed&#x27;s engineering teacher advised him not to show his clock to any other teachers. Fear and suspicion are the default now. That&#x27;s heartbreaking.
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fsloth超过 9 年前
Are the authorities here abnormally incompetent or is there something really wrong in the community where this happened?
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narner超过 9 年前
So, what can be done to help this kid? What can be done to make sure he doesn&#x27;t lose his love of learning?
ipsin超过 9 年前
Perhaps the correct response would be to ban circuit boards and items containing circuit boards from school grounds.<p>This would be quite educational, as everyone learned the hard way that cars, clocks, cell phones, loudspeakers, and so forth are packed with &quot;threatening&quot; fake bombs.
rebootthesystem超过 9 年前
&gt; Ahmed was arrested for making while brown<p>This line really bothers me. Probably because I simply don&#x27;t think this way. I don&#x27;t see color in people.<p>It is because of this, perhaps wrongly, that I can&#x27;t accept the idea that this kid was arrested because he is brown. I think a white kid would have been arrested just the same.<p>Why?<p>Because the problem, as I see it, is our schools, in some areas, are bastions of ignorance. And this goes beyond K12 into colleges and university.<p>The problem in this case is an &quot;Engineering&quot; teacher who probably isn&#x27;t anything close to an engineer. In other words, incapable of evaluating what the kid actually built. For this teacher what was in this little box might as well have been alien technology.<p>Why do I say this? Because it would have taken any engineer all 30 seconds --if that-- to understand what this kid built.<p>This could not have been the first time this kid brought some of his work to school. It sounds like he is really into making stuff. His &quot;Engineering&quot; teacher should have known this and should have known his profile.<p>My oldest kid had a &quot;robotics&quot; class in middle school. In quotes because the teacher would come into the room, sit down and browse the &#x27;net on her iPad while the kids did whatever they wanted. She got to earn extra cash by pretending to teach this class. The union protected her from any potential consequence of her ineptitude. The only reason the other kids learned anything is because my son actually taught them (we have an FLL table in our living room).<p>Now in college, he&#x27;s come across the same sort of thing. A calculus 1 &quot;professor&quot; who quite literally copies from the book onto the blackboard and will not answer any questions during class. Students are asked to write the questions down and they might be answered during the next class. She clearly knows nothing. And, to be politically incorrect, is likely to have gotten her job due to &quot;equal opportunity&quot; rules. If I didn&#x27;t devote a serious amount of time to help my kid Calculus he would have come out of that semester way behind in his understanding. I feel sorry for the other kids if they didn&#x27;t have a parent with the requisite knowledge and the time to do the teacher&#x27;s job at home.<p>Yet in another case, a professor in an arts class devoted half of nearly every class meeting to a monologue about her ongoing attempts to become an actress, professional dancer, whatever. No tests. No teaching. Just ranting about various aspects of her personal life every class. At the end everyone got an A. Sad. Truly sad.<p>There are many problems with our schools. I feel a huge part of it has to do with ignorance, incompetence and union contracts that prevent us from a &quot;survival of the fittest&quot; approach to evolving good schools with truly intelligent, well-informed, balanced, knowledgeable teachers.<p>Then there&#x27;s the deeper political element. Teaching, K12 through University, is largely populated with a wide spectrum of people of Liberal ideology. There was a study [2] that concluded some majors have a ratio of 44:1 in favor of left to extreme-left teachers. And, with that, comes the use of their position to indoctrinate kids --consciously or not.<p>If you don&#x27;t think this is a problem, please take a moment to go through the mental exercise of inverting that ratio. How about 44:1 extreme right teachers? Or, today&#x27;s favorite punching bag, 44:1 Islamic extremist teachers?<p>Right. The extremes are not good for anybody. Before you jump-up in joy if you like the idea of academia being permeated by left-leaning teachers you need to take a rocket up to low earth orbit and consider what that looks like from many points of view and what the consequences of a mono-ideology might have on society. As an Atheist and moderate Libertarian I feel I am firmly rooted somewhere around the center of both ideologies in many ways. I am with most Liberal social ideas while wanting to see less government intervention and a Conservative fiscal approach to things. Having a 44:1 ratio of teachers pushing one ideology on the kids is a bad thing, no matter where you are standing.<p>And so, there&#x27;s also a high likelihood that the teachers who are ignorant, acted like morons and had this kid arrested are Liberal and highly intolerant [1]. Nobody wants to talk about how, for some strange reason, the Left has become the most intolerant group over the last several decades. Principles are great to put down on paper, but, if you don&#x27;t follow them, what do they mean?<p>This kid was arrested due to everyone around him being ignorant morons.<p>A few videos to consider:<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=YTd4-WXw2SM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=YTd4-WXw2SM</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=rVE-7OFk_tk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=rVE-7OFk_tk</a>
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CodeSheikh超过 9 年前
And then teachers (some of them at least) complain why are they getting paid less? Go figure...
SimplyUseless超过 9 年前
This is so wrong! Instead of encouraging tinkerers, schools have become a dumbing-machine.
jbob2000超过 9 年前
All parents should send their kids to school with clocks tomorrow as a show of support.
jeo1234超过 9 年前
The case seems a little reminiscent of what happened to Aaron Swartz, large bureaucracy is unable to understand what someone is doing and so it attacks them. Fortunately it appears that the outcome will not be tragic.
noipv4超过 9 年前
I feel so sorry for the kid :( I used to make my own beeping LED flashers with BC109C transistors and AA batteries when I was his age, and brought them to school to show my friends how cool electronics is.
digitalneal超过 9 年前
And now, every time that kid thinks about pushing the limits of his own personal education, he will reflect on this event and think twice. Will his effort be worth the outcome. Sad day. Very sad day.
keithflower超过 9 年前
President Obama just tweeted: &quot;Cool clock, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White House? We should inspire more kids like you to like science. It&#x27;s what makes America great.&quot;
ilamont超过 9 年前
Ahmed and his family have started a twitter account, @IStandWithAhmed:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;IStandWithAhmed" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;IStandWithAhmed</a>
kyleblarson超过 9 年前
Texas doesn&#x27;t deserve this young man. Come on up to Seattle.
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InclinedPlane超过 9 年前
Did they call the bomb squad? Nope, they never believed it was a <i>real</i> bomb. Did he ever claim it was a bomb? Nope, never.<p>Somehow they still claim that Ahmed made a &quot;hoax bomb&quot;.
PythonicAlpha超过 9 年前
With such paranoia as this, you also can bring the inventive genius of a nation down.<p>The US has so much talent, but when such things will continue to manifest, the terrorists already have won!
wedesoft超过 9 年前
At my school somebody <i>did</i> build a small time bomb and he made it go off in the dust bin at the playground. Even then the police didn&#x27;t get involved.
aresant超过 9 年前
Reddit turned up a picture of the clock<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;jGZ8RBU.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;jGZ8RBU.jpg</a>
noobie超过 9 年前
Reminds of that time where I ordered an Arduino online only to have it stuck and ceased at customs because terrorists that&#x27;s why.
jkestner超过 9 年前
1) Nerdism is stronger than religion or race. 2) We need younger teachers who don’t think circuitboards are bombs.
moo超过 9 年前
Why aren&#x27;t these good officers out looking for Flavor Flav? I mean, let&#x27;s stop all this nonsense.
crikli超过 9 年前
Public educators frequently make stronger arguments for home-schooling than I ever could.
davidgerard超过 9 年前
Engineering While Brown.
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bkeating超过 9 年前
Make Magazine should put him on the cover of their next issue.
EmpressNicole超过 9 年前
I really hope that the teacher gets fired for this stupidity
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slr555超过 9 年前
When they outlaw clocks only outlaws will be on time.
marze超过 9 年前
Sounds like the four &quot;arresting officers&quot; were so ignorant they didn&#x27;t know that you need explosive material, not just a trigger, to form a bomb.
joncp超过 9 年前
No, he was arrested because his name is Ahmed Mohamed. The clock was just the pretense.
thisway超过 9 年前
This guy fucks
elektromekatron超过 9 年前
<i>&quot;What are you doing out?&quot;</i><p>&quot;Walking,&quot; said Leonard Mead.<p><i>&quot;Walking!&quot;</i><p>&quot;Just walking,&quot; he said simply, but his face felt cold.<p><i>&quot;Walking, just walking, walking?&quot;</i><p>&quot;Yes, sir.&quot;<p><i>&quot;Walking where? For what?&quot;</i><p>&quot;Walking for air. Walking to see.&quot;<p><i>&quot;Your address!&quot;</i><p>&quot;Eleven South Saint James Street.&quot;<p><i>&quot;And there is air in your house, you have an air conditioner, Mr. Mead?&quot;</i><p>&quot;Yes.&quot;<p><i>&quot;And you have a viewing screen in your house to see with?&quot;</i><p>&quot;No.&quot;<p><i>&quot;No?&quot;</i> There was a crackling quiet that in itself was an accusation.<p><i>&quot;Are you married, Mr. Mead?&quot;</i><p><i>&quot;No.&quot;</i><p><i>&quot;Not married,&quot;</i> said the police voice behind the fiery beam, The moon was high and clear among the stars and the houses were gray and silent.<p>&quot;Nobody wanted me,&quot; said Leonard Mead with a smile.<p><i>&quot;Don&#x27;t speak unless you&#x27;re spoken to!&quot;</i><p>Leonard Mead waited in the cold night.<p><i>&quot;Just walking, Mr. Mead?&quot;</i><p>&quot;Yes.&quot;<p><i>&quot;But you haven&#x27;t explained for what purpose.&quot;</i><p>---<p>Excerpted from Ray Bradbury&#x27;s short story &#x27;The Pedestrian&#x27;.<p>For fairly obvious and somewhat depressing reasons.
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radmuzom超过 9 年前
Cross-posting from [1]<p>Is there any study to ascertain how these kind of incidents affect children psychologically, the effects of which manifest only years later? (Let&#x27;s assume that this boy is a gifted engineer, and this incident leaves deep psychological scars not expressed in the next few years, but eventually leads him to take up activities later in life which are harmful for American citizens)<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10225962" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10225962</a>
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venomsnake超过 9 年前
I guess he realizes how lucky he is, that he had not had his soldering gun on him. He would have been shot on sight. &#x2F;not sure if sarcastic, sadly.<p>And back in the day we played with sodium, benzene, nitroglycerin, nitrogen triodide as part of the curriculum.<p>With the way current students are treated - the surprising thing about pupils going postal, is that so few of them are.<p>On the other hand that is a great way to incubate terrorists. Local and organic.
notNow超过 9 年前
What really strikes about this story is the fact that Ahmad was the party who came forward to the teacher and notified him of his invention and even demoed it but that wasn&#x27;t enough for the school staff to deter suspicions since and this elementary school logic level if he were intent on doing harm, he would have concealed completely the fact that he built such a device and kept the info to himself without sharing with anybody till the operation is carried out.<p>But apparently everything is indeed BIGGER in Texas and this applies to stupidity, ignorance and prejudice as well.
joesmo超过 9 年前
So how do we get his idiot school admin fired? That&#x27;s the only way to fix this now. He&#x27;s essentially marked the kid for life now with an arrest record because of his own stupidity. If our society doesn&#x27;t punish these people (and it doesn&#x27;t) then this would be a good use for Twitter shaming. He deserves to lose his job.
PopeOfNope超过 9 年前
This post is a living embodiment of this CGP Grey video[0].<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc</a>
AC__超过 9 年前
Honestly, when I was 14 I would have thought it was cool as hell to have a realistic looking suitcase bomb if I had the skills to make one.<p>I am kind of leaning towards this being a publicity stunt, as a digital clock project really wouldn&#x27;t require much circuitry, wiring or case space(with the result looking nothing like a bomb ). That being said I find it absurd for the child to be detained over any of it.
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sklogic超过 9 年前
Why would anybody be surprised by a pumpkin-positive cop? They&#x27;re explicitly selected this way: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;abcnews.go.com&#x2F;US&#x2F;court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops&#x2F;story?id=95836" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;abcnews.go.com&#x2F;US&#x2F;court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops&#x2F;sto...</a>
powertower超过 9 年前
There is likely more to this story.<p>I&#x27;m basing this on 3 facts:<p>1. In 2015 it&#x27;s highly unlikely that you could build a home-made clock that would be of the size and shape resembling a bomb - that is, unless it was made to look like a bomb.<p>2. Ahmed, his father, and anyone else with a phone camera (that is on Ahmed&#x27;s side) would have posted a picture of the clock, or given a full description of it (size, shape, etc), in defense of Ahmed - that is, if it made sense, otherwise they would not. And I have not been able to find an image, nor a good description.<p>3. The initial teacher told him not to show it to anyone. You can break this down into that teacher having one of two opinions: A) It really did look like a bomb or B) its all about racism &#x2F; hate &#x2F; being anti-Muslim &#x2F; anti-brown in that school (check the school&#x27;s panel <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irvingisd.net&#x2F;domain&#x2F;2031" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irvingisd.net&#x2F;domain&#x2F;2031</a> - that school is half brown and black).
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it_learnses超过 9 年前
The situation sucks, but I find it so amazing, the outpouring of support for the boy from everybody! Hopefully his faith in people will be restored.
linkydinkandyou超过 9 年前
Why not link to the original news article instead of to a blog that quotes it?
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curiousjorge超过 9 年前
only in america
minusSeven超过 9 年前
this is fucked up beyond belief.
InfiniteEntropy超过 9 年前
&#x27;Murica.
werber超过 9 年前
I guess we can add science-ing while brown to the list of de facto racist laws in america
sakri超过 9 年前
This story is at 1 and 2 on both reddit and Hacker News. Why is this so interesting?
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briandherbert超过 9 年前
Wow, this thread makes me ashamed to be nerd. It&#x27;s all bashing the intelligence of administrators&#x2F;educators while hypocritically trying to make the point that we shouldn&#x27;t scorn groups of people. &quot;Hey, kid, if a person can&#x27;t tell a clock circuit from a bomb, it invalidates all their motives and education.&quot;
fasteddie31003超过 9 年前
&lt;sarcasm&gt;Hey maybe bomb making might be correlated with success in Silicon Valley <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;valleywag.gawker.com&#x2F;peter-thiel-admits-the-paypal-mafia-built-bombs-in-hi-1632734435" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;valleywag.gawker.com&#x2F;peter-thiel-admits-the-paypal-ma...</a> &lt;&#x2F;sarcasm&gt;
ausjke超过 9 年前
I have kids at school and I&#x27;m actually for the responses from the teachers, yes it&#x27;s overacting and could be dealt with _much_ better, but being overly alert on this is better than ignorant.<p>and it&#x27;s better to show it at his house instead of at school for things like this I feel.
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joeclark77超过 9 年前
So... kid with an Arabic name, whose father is a belligerent Islamist known to the townspeople to rail against imagined anti-Muslim racists in the town square, shows up at school with a homemade electronic device with a timer on the front of it. He takes someone&#x27;s bad advice to conceal it under his clothing, and walks into a classroom where it starts <i>beeping</i>.<p>I think reasonable people can understand why the police might have been called.<p>It was of course <i>unreasonable</i> for the police to have actually arrested the boy, once they found out what they were dealing with. Reading between the lines though, maybe the article&#x27;s use of &quot;arrested&quot; just means they took the kid home to his parents.
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exodust超过 9 年前
Sounds like he was asking for it.<p>Notice in the video he says &quot;he used a simple cable to lock it so it wouldn&#x27;t look like a threat&quot;.<p>People are forgetting that there&#x27;s nothing impressive about a &quot;clock in a case&quot;. He called it an &quot;invention&quot;. Sorry kid, you&#x27;re 14, not 8. Nothing inventive about sticking a digital clock in a case.<p>His own engineering teacher suggested he not show it to other teachers. So what does he do? Takes it to English class where it makes beeping noises. Real smart kid, real smart.<p>It&#x27;s a clock in a case. NASA are not interested.<p>Then, when first questioned he was apparently &quot;passive aggressive&quot;, not explaining why he made it or why he brought it to school. Gee kid, you&#x27;re really making all the smart moves.<p>Ask yourself, why would his own teacher suggest he not show it to other teachers? Here&#x27;s why... his &quot;invention&quot; looked dodgy as all hell.<p>Hashtag &quot;I&#x27;m not standing with this kid, not this time&quot;.
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