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“This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”

302 点作者 esolyt超过 9 年前

49 条评论

SyneRyder超过 9 年前
This could backfire. Surely this should result in a Google penalty against Wired.com for publishing thin content?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.google.com&#x2F;webmasters&#x2F;answer&#x2F;2604719?hl=en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.google.com&#x2F;webmasters&#x2F;answer&#x2F;2604719?hl=en</a><p>If Wired wants the article to be exclusive on Apple News, fine, but in that case it should not be on the website. Keep it exclusively on Apple News. There is no content on this page beyond a headline.
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JohnTHaller超过 9 年前
Wired will be losing ad revenue due to Apple adding ad blocking abilities to mobile Safari. So, Wired moves content to Apple News which has ads that can&#x27;t be blocked (and Apple conveniently takes a nice juicy cut of).
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mendelk超过 9 年前
I have a silly question:<p>If the conspiracy theorists are right, the whole ad-blocking on ios is a ploy to get the ad-starved publishers, and thus the masses, off the web-based internet and onto in-app content silos such as Apple News.<p>If they&#x27;re wildly successful, the only ones left on the traditional internet would be those not producing content for money.<p>Does that mean I&#x27;ll be able to experience the internet the way the old-timers reminisce? Before Eternal September[0]?<p>I&#x27;ve always felt bad I missed thosed times, and while this would certainly be a regression for the society at large, I think that would be something I&#x27;d like to experience :)<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Eternal_September" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Eternal_September</a>
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smsm42超过 9 年前
Couple of minutes ago I didn&#x27;t know about Apple News and didn&#x27;t care about a superstar architect. Now I still don&#x27;t care about a superstar architect but already hate Apple News and Wired for presenting me with a link to an article I can not read.
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danboarder超过 9 年前
This reminds me of the early days of CompuServe and Prodigy, which had exclusive content*. It worked for a while until the open web became the bigger audience that dwarfed all others. I think the big players now may be repeating patterns of the past. Open standards tend to trump closed platforms over time. If this is the case it presents an opportunity to create a new open version of what Apple is doing now. Web 4.0?<p>News publications launch exclusive online content 1990-94: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;iml.jou.ufl.edu&#x2F;carlson&#x2F;1990s.shtml" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;iml.jou.ufl.edu&#x2F;carlson&#x2F;1990s.shtml</a>
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torrance超过 9 年前
Apple News isn&#x27;t available in a lot of countries for whatever reason. So this not only means its inaccessible to non-iOS9 devices, but it&#x27;s also inaccessible to, eg., all of New Zealand.
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lerxst超过 9 年前
I imagine their bounce rate will be very high if they continue doing this. Other news sites have done similar things such as make you participate in a survey before reading the article. In order for me to open this article before September 22, I would have to copy that link, paste it into an email to myself, open Mail on my phone, and open the link from my own email.
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alayne超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m an Apple user, but I have no interest in Apple curated news via a dedicated app. I can&#x27;t believe there&#x27;s a significant market there.
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Animats超过 9 年前
&quot;Meet the Superstar Architect Transforming NYC’s Skyline&quot; sounds like an ad, anyway. That&#x27;s not time-critical information. The fluff news in &quot;Dwell&quot;, &quot;Food and Wine&quot;, and &quot;Drive&quot; sections of many major newspapers are now generated by Demand Media and others of that ilk. This may be a non-problem.<p>When we start seeing articles about presidential debates, wars, and other major events handled that way, it&#x27;s time to pay attention.
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lfam超过 9 年前
Apple is implementing a content paywall at the device level.
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fixxer超过 9 年前
Well, looks like somebody found a &quot;cure&quot; for adblock ;)<p>I miss the Wired of ten years ago. Now whenever I pick one up I am immensely disappointed by the hype and marketing. I remember it being more rigorous with respect to both journalism and technical acumen.<p>Edit: or not, per other post regarding adblock coming soon to apple.
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choppaface超过 9 年前
How different is this (from an ad biz perspective) from Facebook Instant Articles? Is it that Apple gets no cut from publisher-sold ads, but Facebook Instant Articles only use Facebook ads? Do either of these services have some sort of exclusivity clause (ala Youtube, where if you publish one place you have to publish to Youtube too)?<p>EDIT: it looks like Facebook Instant Articles also takes 0% of publisher-served ads [1]. So it looks like this Apple News push is merely an attempt to match Facebook&#x27;s product (and Wired screwed up messaging &#x2F; accessibility here).<p>I&#x27;m still curious as to if anybody can add commentary &#x2F; context from an advertising point of view.<p>IMO these events indicate a future where portals serve publisher content in a way that improves user experience (fewer ads, faster page load times) while the publishers catch up (rather than replace) their own native web experience. Publishers will want to own their distribution if it does them well. These plays (Apple, Facebook) may be less about poaching display dollars from Google than 1) cutting low-quality advertisers out of the network and 2) increasing hub engagement. I doubt the hubs monopolize the market but I&#x27;m definitely no expert<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;s0.wp.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;themes&#x2F;vip&#x2F;facebook-instantarticles&#x2F;library&#x2F;docs&#x2F;FB_IA_FAQS.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;s0.wp.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;themes&#x2F;vip&#x2F;facebook-instantarti...</a> LOL the FB site is running on wordpress ...
jameslk超过 9 年前
This is the wrong direction. What users want are unobtrusive ads and what content creators want is to get paid. Apple and Facebook are trying to take advantage of this by pushing users to their AOL-esque walled gardens. We need a browser standard for built-in unobtrusive ads or payments so content creators can get paid and users don&#x27;t get stuck with AOL 2.0.
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radicalbyte超过 9 年前
When I clicked on this link I was expecting to read satire about content locking. What could be more absurd than making &quot;news&quot; exclusive?<p>Instead, it looks like Wired have officially &quot;jumped the whale&quot;.
declan超过 9 年前
This is disappointing. It&#x27;s a move against the open Internet than Wired helped to popularize (I previously worked at Wired). It also is a slap in the face to Android and other non-iOS users.<p>Disclaimer: My own startup released iOS and Android news apps this month that are in the same space as Apple News: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;recent.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;recent.io&#x2F;</a>
staunch超过 9 年前
Torrents of popular newspaper and magazine articles may become popular soon.
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jeo1234超过 9 年前
If Wired makes this practice standard for articles on their website, I will seriously consider dropping my subscription. I understand that the two are not directly linked, but this new tactic seems toxic and I do not want to support it in any way.
sidcool超过 9 年前
Dear Wired, if you want us to buy an Apple device to read your article, good luck with that. Losing respect in tech industry is pretty easy. Be safe.
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dweekly超过 9 年前
HTTP ERROR 418 Wrong Client<p>The client you are using does not currently have access to this resource but may in the future as specified by the Expires header in the response. The user should either switch to a supported client as specified in the response body to access this resource or the current client should retry at the specified date. The current client MUST NOT retry the resource before the specified date.
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eva1984超过 9 年前
Wow, obvious Apple is no angel to everyone.<p>But this is hardly new. I believe a lot of magazines released their article in print first then in their web edition for a wider public access.<p>Only thing that is wrong here is this offensive reminder that iOS users now have privilege over everyone else. Smart move, Wired. It is an excellent advertisement for Apple News, but not so much for publisher themselves, I believe.
kristopolous超过 9 年前
Do you ever wonder what the conversations were like which led to decisions like this?
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brudgers超过 9 年前
[Ignoring the meta nature of this thread]<p>If there&#x27;s no well known work around for the paywall, this type of content from Wired shouldn&#x27;t be on HN. On a personal note. it saddens me to see <i>Wired</i> deliberately making the world wide web suck.
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xxdesmus超过 9 年前
Well then, one less website to visit. Thanks for making that decision easy Wired.
tethra超过 9 年前
Wired have now joined apple on my list of companies to boycott for life. Personally I&#x27;ll be adding any company to the list that joins in with this kind of crap - deliberately creating an online &#x27;second class&#x27; is unacceptable. Don&#x27;t let these bastards win.
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Navarr超过 9 年前
Odds Apple is paying them? Very high, right?
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JohnTHaller超过 9 年前
Additional fun fact: Publishers can&#x27;t opt out of having their RSS feeds included in Apple News without signing up for an Apple ID. I wonder if that means Apple News will ignore robots.txt.
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circa超过 9 年前
Ted Moesby is the artichect, right?
dsr_超过 9 年前
If you can&#x27;t see it until Tuesday, it&#x27;s not news. It might be journalism, it might be editorial, it might be review, but it&#x27;s not news.
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duncan_bayne超过 9 年前
Huh. I&#x27;m surprised to find an outfit like Wired intentionally breaking the web. On the other hand, that&#x27;s one less distraction for me.
eagsalazar2超过 9 年前
This article had comments initially which were all people bitching about how this was total bullshit. The comment section has since been removed.
snorrah超过 9 年前
It&#x27;s not like this is a &#x27;win&#x27; for Apple - the news app isn&#x27;t globally available (I think it&#x27;s just US?) so this sure doesn&#x27;t do wonders for my opinion of them. Oh well guess I&#x27;ll just wait a day and see if I even remember to go check back. (I probably won&#x27;t, I have a bad memory)
libraryatnight超过 9 年前
Timed exclusives are already frustrating in video games, I don&#x27;t need them creeping into my reading :(
cobweb超过 9 年前
I don&#x27;t get it. I go to wired, I follow the link to apple, and I get bounced back to wired???
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egil超过 9 年前
The article was published with a new url: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;bjarke-ingels-2-world-trade-center-wtc-2&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;bjarke-ingels-2-world-trade-cen...</a>
userbinator超过 9 年前
The question that immediately comes to my mind is how do they know whether that URL (the news.apple.com one) is being accessed from the app or not? It redirects immediately back to wired.com, so could it be as trivial as User-agent or some other header?
Mikho超过 9 年前
Hence, I just don&#x27;t read it at all. Tomorrow there will be other news and this article will be already history.<p>Any extra friction, including extra click to go to Apple News — more churn.
binoyxj超过 9 年前
This is actually a good reason to use the native iOS push notification, instead of such thin content to grab eyeballs. The former is well targeted and less spammy IMO.
cpncrunch超过 9 年前
Some background here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10179458" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10179458</a>
malchow超过 9 年前
I wonder if anyone sees Apple News as anything more than One More Aggregator? I would be curious for thoughts&#x2F;articles on that subject.
AriinPHD超过 9 年前
I can&#x27;t even open it on an iOS 9 device. I&#x27;m either doing something wrong or this Apple News thing doesn&#x27;t work at all...
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amelius超过 9 年前
&gt; “This story is being previewed exclusively on Apple News until Tuesday”<p>Shouldn&#x27;t that be &quot;may be&quot; instead of &quot;is being&quot;?
justinlardinois超过 9 年前
Did anyone else notice that the hover text on the Apple News link is &quot;Big Deal&quot;? Not sure what to make of that.
jackmaney超过 9 年前
Welp, I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;ll ever read anything from Wired again.
shade23超过 9 年前
Why does clicking on the link redirect me to the same wired article?
Jimmy超过 9 年前
I am proud to say that I will never download the Apple News app.
binaryapparatus超过 9 年前
War is not so subtle any more. Lack of web browser on apple tv. Content blockers on iOS 9. Exclusive content. Makes me want to join ad company and help the fight on their side, just because. Fscked I know.
mirimir超过 9 年前
OK, so there&#x27;s no web proxy to Apple News?
nathancahill超过 9 年前
Mods, please DON&#x27;T change this title. The post would become completely non-sensical.
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EGreg超过 9 年前
Here is the thing<p>I don&#x27;t know if a war on ads is coming. I mean, the Browser Sexurity Handbook details how 3rd party cookie policies are pretty schitzophrenic across browsers already (MSIE requires a privacy policy, Safari requires a &quot;visit&quot; to a domain which can be accomplished by POSTing into an iframe, Firefox does something else, and Chrome thankfully just works).<p>But regardless, we should be moving past ads and to deals. Past eyeballs and to saving people time. Past destination sites and to tools that help people. Past building online personas and to improving real world experience. Ads means &quot;here please click maybe you&#x27;ll like this and eventually pay money for something.&quot; It&#x27;s not the best we can do.<p>Before the web, people used to have more real connections in real life. Look at pictures from before 1990 - people were out and knew others from their neighborhood! Now they compulsively check their phones every time they emit a sound because of some notification, and verbal communication has devolved into kthanxbai lol... and the lol is almost never an actual laugh. Think about it.