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Totally Honest Software Engineering Negotiations

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jxm262超过 9 年前
I think this was mentioned a few days ago. had a big discussion around it - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10233831" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10233831</a>
kls超过 9 年前
So this guy goes on to repeat the cycle on his new employee.<p>Me personally, I am a fan of the golden handcuffs approach to a limited pool of talent. It allows a company to focus more on critical business efforts and less on internal profits via penny pinching, wasting business cycles on needless spends of time and energy. Optimizing every last dollar, over chasing revenue, is best left to companies that are stagnant or in decline.<p>The problem is, with that employee that would never ask for a raise, is that once he decides he wants more money, mentally he will already be out of your company. Those are the kind that don&#x27;t look back. When he looks he will be serious about leaving.
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erikb超过 9 年前
Yeah, a lot of the money comes in by simply saying to many people &quot;I&#x27;m worth that money&quot;. And the key ingredients to bargaining are having another offer (= being able to walk) and knowing the market a little (=talking to other companies, reading texts like this one), and the third is to talk to your manager. The worst thing that can happen is that he says no. But even then you are better set up for the same talk the next time. Saying no a few times is also hard for the manager.
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aggieben超过 9 年前
I, for one, would be upset as a manager to find out that I had been lied to (and taken advantage of, really). I would have zero qualms about firing someone for negotiating like this. It&#x27;s fine to say &quot;Hey, someone else over here thinks I&#x27;m worth more, and I&#x27;m inclined to agree with them - are you?&quot; It&#x27;s not fine to say it if it&#x27;s not true. I&#x27;m also not super-impressed with the leveraging of a tough moment in the company to extract more $$. It&#x27;s not dishonest, although if I were your manager in that situation, I&#x27;d be looking for a replacement.<p>My take on this whole idea is this: instead of focusing on how big your balls are, focus on how much value you can bring to the company. Your monetary compensation will reflect that (and actual honest negotiating techniques are recommended).
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anoother超过 9 年前
&#x27;Totally honest&#x27;, as in, lie through your teeth, repeatedly?
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fiatjaf超过 9 年前
It is below the human condition to ever work for a salary.