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Backblaze B2 Cloud Storage

411 点作者 SudoAlex超过 9 年前

38 条评论

jbeda超过 9 年前
Took a quick look at the API. For context, I was involved in the early days of Google Cloud Storage.<p>It is surprising that they didn&#x27;t make it compatible with the S3 API -- at least for common object&#x2F;bucket create&#x2F;delete. This will require more code to be written and it will be harder to adapt client libraries.<p>The API documentation is here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.backblaze.com&#x2F;b2&#x2F;docs&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.backblaze.com&#x2F;b2&#x2F;docs&#x2F;</a><p>Other notes:<p>* The lack of scalable front-end load balancing is shown by the fact that they require users to first make an API call to get an upload URL followed by doing the actual upload.<p>* They <i>require</i> a SHA1 hash when uploading objects. This is probably overkill over a cheaper CRC. In addition, it means that users have to make 2 passes to upload -- first to compute the hash and then another to upload. This can slow uploads of large objects dramatically. A better method is to allow users to omit the hash and return it in the upload response. Then compare that response with a hash computed while uploading. In the rare case that the object was corrupted in transit, delete&#x2F;retry. GCS docs here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cloud.google.com&#x2F;storage&#x2F;docs&#x2F;gsutil&#x2F;commands&#x2F;cp#checksum-validation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cloud.google.com&#x2F;storage&#x2F;docs&#x2F;gsutil&#x2F;commands&#x2F;cp#che...</a>
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degenerate超过 9 年前
Whether or not I decide to use this service, this is one of the most <i>useful</i> announcement blog posts I&#x27;ve read in a while. The tone is not just &quot;ok we released this&quot; but instead &quot;<i>we released this, and here are some practical use cases if you are already doing X, Y, or Z</i>&quot; -- nice job.
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ComputerGuru超过 9 年前
In addition to the good point raised by @jcreedon regarding their single datacenter (which I think is a bit of a bigger deal than he does, primarily because I don&#x27;t think it scales linearly per-GB for the first few datacenters, though it might thereafter), I&#x27;m more concerned about the bandwidth.<p>There&#x27;s no talk about their backbone or their network capacity. I get that they have terabytes of upload coming in, but as anyone who&#x27;s used their software can tell you, it&#x27;s throttled. I don&#x27;t know how many users they have to tell you how much bandwidth they&#x27;re actually handling, but can they handle people using B2 as a distribution point for large files for customers? For example, I have a huge S3&#x2F;CF monthly bill from customers downloading ~400MiB ISO images tens thousands of times a month. Amazon CloudFront is ~$0.085&#x2F;GB for the first TB, while BackBlaze B2 is an incredible $0.05&#x2F;GB - but at what performance? Will my technical support representatives be getting angry phone calls about halting download speeds or do they have the capacity for something like this?<p>Hosting the world&#x27;s data is no tiny task, I hope they&#x27;re ready for it and I do, truly, wish them all the luck. I&#x27;ve been a BackBlaze customer for a few years now (at least 5 or 6, I imagine) as a tertiary or quaternary backup (haven&#x27;t had to restore... yet), and B2 looks and sounds promising, but as far as technical details go, this post is nothing.<p>EDIT: In response to the reply below, I believe it&#x27;s throttled by default in the client, though that can be turned off in the application settings. Also, you&#x27;ve replied to my claims of throttling but have ignored my question regarding backbone capacity and network readiness...
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budmang超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m thrilled that we can offer this raw cloud storage for just $0.005&#x2F;GB&#x2F;month. Would love to hear from the Hacker News community what you do with storage today &amp; what you might do with B2.<p>Here are my thoughts on our announcement today: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.backblaze.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;b2-cloud-storage-provider&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.backblaze.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;b2-cloud-storage-provider&#x2F;</a><p>Gleb
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Osmium超过 9 年前
Tarsnap seems to rely pretty heavily on Amazon&#x27;s infrastructure, so I&#x27;m guessing it won&#x27;t support this? Which is a shame because I&#x27;d really like to use it, but can&#x27;t afford to right now as an individual.<p>Arq seems really good at supporting a broad variety of cloud providers though, so hopefully they&#x27;ll add this too. I&#x27;m hesitant to use cloud backups generally; I&#x27;ve never seen an audit of how secure Arq&#x27;s backup scheme is, for example (though it seems pretty simple - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.arqbackup.com&#x2F;s3_data_format.txt" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.arqbackup.com&#x2F;s3_data_format.txt</a>). I&#x27;ve used CrashPlan a lot and basically take it on faith that it&#x27;s secure. It&#x27;s probably good enough for my use, given that I&#x27;m not storing state secrets or anything, but it&#x27;s still a little unsettling to &#x27;lose control&#x27; of one&#x27;s data.<p>From Backblaze&#x27;s point of view, I guess this is either smart (diversifying themselves–people can use other backup software if they like, and Backblaze still profits) or less smart (turning themselves into a commodity), but it seems like their software is still first rate, so I guess it&#x27;ll work for them.
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gaul超过 9 年前
Updated object store comparison:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;gaul.org&#x2F;object-store-comparison&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;gaul.org&#x2F;object-store-comparison&#x2F;</a>
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falsestprophet超过 9 年前
For context, OVH offers object storage with 3x replication for $.01&#x2F;GB [1].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.runabove.com&#x2F;cloud-storage.xml" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.runabove.com&#x2F;cloud-storage.xml</a>
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jcreedon超过 9 年前
The biggest shortcoming I see compared to the other big players (AWS, Azure, Google), and it is something they don&#x27;t mention, is that they only have one datacenter, compared to the several from the other big players. The pricing is quite incredible though. I suspect if enough people hop on board with this they will probably look into setting up another datacenter.
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atrophying超过 9 年前
Fair warning: Backblaze has a habit of making major changes silently (without any indication to the user), and their customer support is TERRIBLE. I was a customer for several years and never had a positive interaction with their support staff. The final straw was losing several files last year after they changed their backup method without notifying users, a method that contradicted their documentation. I got full IDGAF treatment from their support. That&#x27;s right - a backup solution failed to backup, then support basically shrugged and said &quot;your loss, too bad, so sad&quot; when I contacted them <i>even though they admitted it was their fault.</i><p>Buyer beware when it comes to Backblaze.
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aidenn0超过 9 年前
Reading the API, it seems that I need to precalculate a SHA-1 before uploading? This makes it impossible to stream data to b2 from another source, I&#x27;ll need to store it first then send to b2.
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devit超过 9 年前
Finally some more reasonable prices in this space.<p>Eventually it could make sense for Backblaze to partner with someone like DigitalOcean or Linode and offer low cost bulk storage and low cost virtualization colocated in the same datacenter: these services seem to be a perfect complement for each other.
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graniter超过 9 年前
The price is being heralded as the thing to get excited about, but I&#x27;m also very concerned about the security and availability of my data. I suppose those details are somewhere, but they&#x27;re not in this article which is quite lengthy.<p>I would like to know more of the implementation of this and more information on policies to protect access to my data. And I would like to know where the data is stored. I suppose I got read the manual, but maybe some info tidbits could be included in the announcement.
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Jake232超过 9 年前
You should allows period (.) in your signup form email field. I know you can just remove the period and the email will still get delivered to my gmail, but plenty of people likely don&#x27;t know this.
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kiwidrew超过 9 年前
One feature that I&#x27;d love to see: the ability to update part of a file (e.g. replace bytes 512-1023 with new content of the same length) and&#x2F;or append to an existing file! For whatever reason, these cloud storage products are always implemented as either block-based (so you can replace parts of the file) or as file-based (so you can create a hierarchy of files with names and metadata). Why can&#x27;t I have my cake and eat it??
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martin-adams超过 9 年前
I couldn&#x27;t tell from the docs, but is it possible (or will it be possible) to generate a single use download URL to return to clients? I wouldn&#x27;t want to have to pay double for outbound traffic going from B2 -&gt; my server -&gt; client.
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Bud超过 9 年前
Real attention to detail in this announcement. I signed up right away.<p>If there&#x27;s attention to detail with one thing, odds are you&#x27;ll find it in other places, too.
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jrnkntl超过 9 年前
cmd+f redundancy, availability, durability, 99: 0 results.<p>Only on <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.backblaze.com&#x2F;b2&#x2F;why-b2.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.backblaze.com&#x2F;b2&#x2F;why-b2.html</a> it is that I can cite the following: &quot;the B2 Cloud Storage service has layers of redundancy to ensure data is durable and available&quot;. What that exactly is or what it translates to is nowhere to be found. If you want corporations or developers to use your storage services for their precious data, I&#x27;d be a bit more specific.
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ck2超过 9 年前
Now we know why the sub-$200 6TB drives keep going out of stock.
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tzz超过 9 年前
Nine months ago, I said the following. It feels good to predict things before they happen:<p><i>Backblaze should expand their service to a cheaper cloud storage service similar to Amazon S3. They already have the infrastructure and the know-how.</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8756119" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8756119</a>
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DoubleMalt超过 9 年前
Just yesterday I was discussing with a friend that I&#x27;d like to use Backblaze as backend for our zero-knowledge backup at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cloudfleet.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cloudfleet.io</a> and that I&#x27;ll ask them for a metered pricing model when we&#x27;re big enough.<p>And voilá ... here it is.
jhardcastle超过 9 年前
Is anyone aware of an enterprise(ish?) product that does encrypted off-site backups from a Windows environment to something like Glacier or B2? We&#x27;re 75&#x2F;25 Windows&#x2F;Nix, and our backups (VMWare, NetApp) are all managed on the Windows side. We&#x27;d like to just fling weeklies at B2.
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thoughtpalette超过 9 年前
Is this going to work for static asset hosting such as for low cost FE assets? Can this be set to serve an index file from the root directory? Doe&#x27;s it provide you a public URL to your (stealing s3 terms) bucket?<p>Just curious as to why I would migrate from S3 for FE assets to Backblaze.
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derekp7超过 9 年前
Are there any plans to add application hosting along with this offering? Specifically, it could be useful to have a shim application that has direct access to the data without traversing the Internet, to minimize what needs to be transferred. For example, if used for a backup application, each day&#x27;s incremental delta may be in one archive, but a periodic operation would be to move files from one archive to another. Or a full system restore may be pulling some data out of multiple archives, and a &quot;shim&quot; app (running within Backblaze&#x27;s data center) would eliminate unnecessary transfers out.
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ehPReth超过 9 年前
What provider does Backblaze use for SMS verification? I&#x27;m using a Twilio number and it seems that the two disagree with each other. (It might be due to short-code use, but I&#x27;m not sure what their outbound number is.)
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scott_karana超过 9 年前
Good lord, that&#x27;s affordable! I cannot <i>wait</i> until someone writes a Duplicity[1] backend for this... :-D<p>1 <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;duplicity.nongnu.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;duplicity.nongnu.org&#x2F;</a>
dchest超过 9 年前
Looks like you still don&#x27;t accept customers from Montenegro. &quot;For security reasons, we are blocking your country&#x27;s IP address.&quot; Why?
xrjn超过 9 年前
This is a really cool service, I can already think of a few cool uses for this. I once participated in a project (movie to gif library), and one of the biggest constraints was the cost of cloud storage - hopefully more competition in this space can drive prices down to where they become even more negligible.
JungleGymSam超过 9 年前
Please tell me you&#x27;re working on a PowerShell module. Microsoft is pushing PowerShell HARD (because it&#x27;s awesome) and admins that do use it know its power and want ALL their vendors to use it.<p>You can open yourself up to a large number of customers by making it easy to get started via PowerShell.
tachion超过 9 年前
Congratulations on the launch! And I am also happy to announce, that the official command line tool, b2, is already ported to FreeBSD: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.freshports.org&#x2F;devel&#x2F;b2&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.freshports.org&#x2F;devel&#x2F;b2&#x2F;</a>
Poiesis超过 9 年前
For me, the signup page loaded once but now I get redirected to a 404 page at <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.backblaze.com&#x2F;cloud-storage.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.backblaze.com&#x2F;cloud-storage.html</a> when trying to load the signup page.
willcodeforfoo超过 9 年前
This is awesome! I&#x27;ve been waiting for this for awhile.<p>I saw the comment about getting drives shipped to you, which is pretty neat, but what about the other way? I have about 50 TB of data we&#x27;d like to store, but only 5mbps upstream. Can we ship drives to you?
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GordonS超过 9 年前
I didn&#x27;t see this - are data centres available in different regions? Or is this a US-centric offering?<p>I ask because I tried Backblaze a while back, and uploads from the UK were <i>very</i> slow.
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IanCal超过 9 年前
Great stuff.<p>What&#x27;s the setup for file permissions? Can I have multiple people writing to the same bucket? Can I restrict deletion &amp; write rules?
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robhu超过 9 年前
I asked Arq support if &#x2F; when it would support B2 and got this reply:<p>Hi Robert,<p>I don’t know whether or not Arq will be integrated with B2.<p>- Stefan
wcchandler超过 9 年前
Awesome. Can&#x27;t wait to see this added to Déjà Dup as a backup destination.
jadegrade超过 9 年前
What do we think about the charges for deleting on b2?
Thaxll超过 9 年前
Are they using Ceph?
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venomsnake超过 9 年前
&gt; Downloads are just $0.05&#x2F;GB<p>Can anyone compare that to other similar providers? While the storage is cheap, it seems more useful for cold storage.
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