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Speaking out against Sarah Sharp (2013)

46 点作者 emartinelli超过 9 年前

14 条评论

dijit超过 9 年前
I like her, it seems like women in technology are divided.<p>on the one side you have the Randi Harper style bridage of ladies pushing for &quot;Women in tech&quot; which means treating women better than others and promoting women above men in cases where there is any choice (even if a man has better experience)<p>on the other side you have people like the author, and my old networking engineer colleague (who happened to be female) who are happy to be judged on their work!<p>I&#x27;ve said before that the concept of women in tech scares me (and been downvoted), not because women are better or worse- but because all I see from women in tech (the vocal minority) seem to be so shouty, so aggressive and so blind to the hypocrisy that I&#x27;m worried that any woman I hire -might- push people around (because they would automatically have an audience and there is a stigma that &quot;the man&quot; is doing something misogynistic)<p>I wish my only experience of females in technology was my previous network engineer, she did a good job, was promoted because of it, nobody had any issues with her gender, we never pandered to it and she never asked us to. It&#x27;s not like people made sexual jokes .. ever, most jokes are about computers.. and it&#x27;s definitely not like having a vagina makes you stupid around computers.<p>I wish the women who were pushing &quot;WOMEN IN TECH&quot; so adamantly would actually go to work in technology, instead of trying to make others do it.
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noelwelsh超过 9 年前
I concede it is possible someone might write a reasoned and balanced response to Sarah Sharp&#x27;s blog post. This is not that response. It&#x27;s lost all credibility by the first paragraph, and only serves to reinforce Sarah&#x27;s original point about the unnecessary rudeness on the kernel mailing list.<p>OTOH, was <i>is</i> interesting about this email is that it was posted on Wed, 24 Jul 2013, and Sarah&#x27;s blog post was posted on Oct 2015. So I don&#x27;t really understand was the motivation for posting this to HN is (shit stirring?) or what motivated the linked email.
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paganel超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m a total outsider to Linux kernel development, but this plays like a bad telenovela, I would have expected better from what seem to be intelligent people. And to keep it OT: no, it&#x27;s not ok to tell someone &quot;shut the fuck up!&quot;, like Linus Torvalds did, no matter the context. It doesn&#x27;t solve anything, it&#x27;s unprofessional, and it gives a very, very bad vibe. Not sure how come smart people can stand behind this (&quot;To Linus: You&#x27;re a hero to many of us.&quot;)
hunterjrj超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m having trouble seeing past the ad hominem attacks:<p>&quot;She&#x27;s a bully. She bullies her husband.&quot;<p>&quot;I couldn&#x27;t be silent and stand by while Sarah bullied and assaulted this list with her profanity and self-indulgent narcissism.&quot;<p>... and Linus worshiping: &quot;I know he&#x27;s a big boy. But dare I say, Linus is too nice to tell this drama queen to bugger off.&quot;<p>&quot;To Linus: You&#x27;re a hero to many of us. Don&#x27;t change. Please.&quot;
adrianN超过 9 年前
I don&#x27;t follow Linux development at all, so I have a hard time judging who&#x27;s in the right here and who&#x27;s to blame.<p>Somebody on Slashdot apparently found the relevant part of the archives where it all started [1]. After reading those posts, I feel like Sarah&#x27;s reaction is comically overblown.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;linux.slashdot.org&#x2F;comments.pl?sid=8123533&amp;cid=50664697" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;linux.slashdot.org&#x2F;comments.pl?sid=8123533&amp;cid=506646...</a>
mooted1超过 9 年前
&gt; Linus&#x27; &#x27;Shut the fuck up&#x27; was to a developer who refused to take responsibility for his code, and blamed someone else&#x27;s code.<p>I think this is what Sarah objected to. Criticism should be welcome, but is it asking too much of a 45 year old man to be civil with colleagues?
amykhar超过 9 年前
Good grief. Why did this author try to turn it into a woman thing? I&#x27;ve seen a lot of people agreeing with Sarah that the environment was toxic and rude. Most of these people were men.
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acqq超过 9 年前
Needs (2013) in the title.<p>More recent events (&quot;3 days ago&quot;) discussed here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10338094" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10338094</a><p>&quot;Linux kernel dev Sarah Sharp quits&quot;<p>and here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10331891" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10331891</a>
dexterchief超过 9 年前
Because a blunt, rude, &amp; brutal response to the observation that the community around the kernel is blunt, rude, &amp; brutal is obviously the way to go...
baldfat超过 9 年前
&quot;I can&#x27;t cover this story ... it is like walking a tight rope.&quot; -Swapnil Bhartiya (On Google+ comment on this story over 75 comments there)<p>Seems like unless your on center you are dead on either side. This is really complex to me. I disagree with any thing I would comment about. I am certainly pro-women (My friends call me the male feminist) but than there is other aspects of the story that make me want to ask questions I don&#x27;t necessarily want the answers to.<p>Just a sad story...<p>(edit one word for clarity)
dwb超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m suspicious. Google doesn&#x27;t turn up a &quot;Francesca V&quot; as a kernel developer (only a Francesca A.) outside this post. Can anyone confirm or deny?
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halosghost超过 9 年前
(2013)
lsaferite超过 9 年前
Since this is from 2013 apparently, can we get the year added to the header please?
abrown28超过 9 年前
I pine for the days when the only drama I had to deal with was vim vs emacs.