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Why Japanese Kids Can Walk to School Alone

71 点作者 idoco超过 9 年前

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jmadsen超过 9 年前
Interesting:<p>I submitted this exact story a week or so ago - from a different website. Opening is word for word, different image.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.citylab.com&#x2F;commute&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;why-are-little-kids-in-japan-so-independent&#x2F;407590&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.citylab.com&#x2F;commute&#x2F;2015&#x2F;09&#x2F;why-are-little-kids-i...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10320944" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10320944</a><p>I can&#x27;t imagine The Atlantic steals stories; obviously, this must have been re-sold. Just interesting to see it.
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beloch超过 9 年前
Violent crime rates, including those against children, have continued to decline year over year in Western countries for a very long time now. It is now safer for children to be out alone at younger ages than ever before. The odd thing is that paranoia is at an all time high. Leaving a five-year-old unsupervised, even at home, is flirting with a visit from child protective services. There is less to protect children from than ever before, but parents are more protective than ever. It has reached the point that same are concerned that today&#x27;s children aren&#x27;t given enough freedom to experiment and fail.<p>This is not by choice. It is enforced by society and law. Consider what would happen if you sent a three-year-old out on an errand as is done in Japan. A child that age, alone on the street, will attract attention, primarily of the concerned and meddling kind. The child will be asked where their parents are and promptly returned to them. The parents will be chewed out for reckless child endangerment as a bare minimum.<p>While one can argue today&#x27;s child-associated paranoia is a result of fear-mongering by the media, the real problem is that it&#x27;s backed up by the law. Parents who are too trusting and permissive will soon find themselves in court. That has to change.
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coldtea超过 9 年前
Japanese? Kids all over the world walk to school alone. In places ranging from Spain to Singapore, including developing countries like Indonesia.<p>I was around 9 or 10 when I started riding public transport. Tons of kids my age on the bus too.
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coldcode超过 9 年前
I really wonder if the actual vs imagined crime rate against children has changed since I was a kid in the 60&#x27;s. I rarely got driven to schools unless I took a bus. Often we walked or rode a bicycle. Perhaps it&#x27;s related to more media coverage of crimes causing more fear and back in those days we had little understanding so we weren&#x27;t worried.<p>I was mugged once walking on Halloween when I was 6-8 or so by a group of teenagers who took my candy and pushed me to the ground. They then continued to walk down the street (toward my house) and I ran home crying, told my dad, he confronted the teens, identified their parents (not sure how) and called them. In the end I got something of the candy back and I don&#x27;t know what happened to the teens. I don&#x27;t think I ever liked Halloween much after that experience.
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saeranv超过 9 年前
&quot;But small-scaled urban spaces and a culture of walking and transit use also foster safety and, perhaps just as important, the perception of safety.&quot;<p>I thought of this while I was watching the video. Japanese suburban fabric is much more compact, fine grain, mixed-use and more spatially coherent than North American equivelents. These contribute to the&#x27;eyes on a street&#x27;[1] condition in which neighborhood stores and residences look out onto public streets and reinforce communal saftey. The cul-de-sacs and degenerate grids of North American suburbs not only make walking incredibly inefficient[2], but also increase the isolation and community-orientation of the streets.<p>[1] Jane Jacobs, The Death and Life of Great American Cities [2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;urbankchoze.blogspot.ca&#x2F;2014&#x2F;10&#x2F;bad-habits-of-north-american-cities_9.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;urbankchoze.blogspot.ca&#x2F;2014&#x2F;10&#x2F;bad-habits-of-north-a...</a>
carsongross超过 9 年前
A strong, homogenous culture solves public trust problems (which are special cases of the prisoner&#x27;s dillema problem.)<p>Multiculturalism destroys social trust. America is the most culturally diverse western nation, ergo it has the lowest public trust. As America continues to diversify, and in as much as Europe does so, we can expect social trust to continue to decline.<p>See <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Robert_D._Putnam" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Robert_D._Putnam</a>
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mianos超过 9 年前
The paranoia is commonly considered as a result of wider media coverage. Every single national and, often, international media covers most child abductions. This widening of coverage gives the, incorrect, impression that child abductions are on the rise. Statistics suggest they are falling rapidly in modern times. .. Citations are left as an exercise for the reader. Personally, I feel the lack of diligence on parents by parents in teaching children safety around roads is probably the last bastion of letting the little critters roam free. (Wait for the lights in <i>all</i> cases when with your children. Never walk behind cars, if in any way possible, stopped or moving.
zanethomas超过 9 年前
i grew up in pasadena, ca in the 50s when i was 5 i walked many blocks to kindergarten<p>in the first grade i took the public bus halfway across town and then walked a few blocks<p>someone offered me candy and a ride one time, i declined<p>has something changed?
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seesomesense超过 9 年前
Young children walking to school is common here in Australia. It is not considered the slightest bit newsworthy.<p>I live opposite a primary school. Everyday I see children who must be 6 or 7 years old walk to it.<p>I guess that it is all to do with the level of criminality in the general community. The USA does have a homicide rate and a violent crime rate that is significantly higher than than of many other rich nations.
dripton超过 9 年前
I walked to kindergarten alone at age 5, in the US. In the 1970s, when there was much more crime than there is today.<p>I mostly blame cable news for helicopter parenting. The data shows that there is much less violent crime than there was 40 years ago, but when something bad does happen and cable news jumps all over the story, it creates a false impression of the world being a very dangerous place.
jordigh超过 9 年前
I used to go out alone as a kid in Mexico City, but only within walking distance of my home. I was 12 the first time I rode public transportation on my own. Nothing ever happened to me, but within my social class it was seen as dangerous and unusual that my parents would let me ride the metro and peseros alone (I used to go to the most expensive private school in Mexico City).
mc32超过 9 年前
One thing the article failed to mention directly is the shared monoculture. Their culture is such that some aspects of it are observed by most people there.<p>As they mention, young children are involved early on with community work. They also have instilled compliance from an early age --ever notice all the voice commands everywhere? In school, at the subway, at the combini, at the depato, at the escalator. It&#x27;s pervasive and it results in a society homogenous in many aspects. Of course, there are dissidents and outcasts and otaku and non-conformists, but most observe core attitudes.<p>I think this contributes to the way they can have a degree of dependability on others. That&#x27;s not to say there aren&#x27;t deviants and people who take advantage of the norms. But to borrow from their vocabulary, they are unique, in some ways, and I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s transplantable.
kailuowang超过 9 年前
I am from China, I go to school alone since 6. Most other kids do that since 7. That was some decades ago. Now I live in U.S. it has become unthinkable to me, mostly because the lack of gun control and the number of gun owners who are so ready to fire their weapons in public.
Mz超过 9 年前
Previously: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10320944" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10320944</a>
Yabood超过 9 年前
I think its cultural thing, nothing more. All kids in Iraq and neighboring countries sent their kids to school alone. Public schools didn&#x27;t have any transportation, so you pretty much had to walk to school regardless of where you lived. I was lucky that my school was only a mile away.<p>Kids who had their parents walk them to school were made fun of, which is why I think its a cultural thing.
pavornyoh超过 9 年前
This was posted and discussed at length on October 2nd here..<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10320944" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10320944</a>
rtz12超过 9 年前
Isn&#x27;t that pretty normal? I walked to school alone my whole life. Walk to the bus stop, take the bus to school, walk to the school. Pretty usual.
somberi超过 9 年前
In Manhattan I see bunch of kids in the subway going to their school on their own. They make the subway compartment so noisy I usually avoid it :)
curiousjorge超过 9 年前
you can drop your wallet a hundred times and people in Korea and Japan will return it to you.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=kWW4xzlrOWQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=kWW4xzlrOWQ</a><p>I&#x27;ve heard reactions from Canadians who go to Korea or Japan and they are puzzled that nobody would steal, even if wallet was bulging with cash and the guy was passed out on the streets, he doesn&#x27;t have to worry.<p>To me this is the success of a homogenous neo-confucius brings order in society. Self reflection and honor prevents a cesspool of cultures ready to rip each others throats from forming.<p>I ponder if Western societies can continue to function if they just keep letting anyone of any background and culture in especially when they choose not to integrate and shout &#x27;racism&#x27; when they have to do something that requires the slightest bit of thinking and respect.<p>Sometimes I look at my city, shootings, the violence, gangs, mental illnesses and ponder what life would&#x27;ve been like in Korea or Japan.
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mlvljr超过 9 年前
Was same in USSR for me (starting from the 1st grade, age 7) :)
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