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Racial Profiling via Nextdoor.com

64 点作者 kanamekun超过 9 年前

13 条评论

jcizzle超过 9 年前
We recently deactivated our account. We were excited about the idea of being able to informed of our entire neighborhood, not just our street. Instead, we found out that in our neighborhood of 8000, there are about 50 crazies that spend all day posting on Nextdoor, and everyone else had basically given up. In the real human interactions I have with neighbors, &#x27;How&#x27;s the weather?&#x27; has been replaced with &#x27;Did you see that Nextdoor post? That was hilarious!&#x27;<p>Some gems in recent memory:<p>1. Someone posted an urgent &#x27;BOLO black men with what appears to be a weapon or something to be used to break in to houses&#x27; accompanied by a picture of a man with a rake. Another neighbor commented, &quot;That&#x27;s my landscaper and he&#x27;s been my landscaper for 10 years&quot;.<p>2. A heated debate over tearing down old houses and replacing them with bigger ones ended up with a guy crawling into someone&#x27;s backyard, taking pictures of their house, and posting them and critiquing their design choices on the forum.<p>3. A neighbor created a small sculpture of stacked stones, each stone being about fist-sized. Another neighbor posted photographs and personal information, asking that he take the stones down, because if they fell on a kid, he would sue him.<p>4. Multiple occurrences where someone posted &#x27;surveillance&#x27; video of dog poop not being cleaned up, which always resulted in another neighbor identifying the dog owner, and the dog owner almost always being an elderly woman, who embarrassingly had to indicate she ran out of poop bags but went back later to clean it up.
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eimai134超过 9 年前
This is sad to read. People of every race--black, white, whatever--need to make an effort to get to know their neighbors. Simply saying hello to people when you&#x27;re walking, introducing yourself, pointing out where you live, telling them about your pets, children, where you work or go to school, where you moved from, etc., can make a big difference in a community. I used to live in a very racially diverse apartment complex (more than 50% non-white). I was friendly with everyone and felt like the people I got to know were almost friends. Smiling, waving or saying hello to people forms a small bond that could help these overzealous people realize that if they reach out, they will see that they are over-reacting. By being friendly and getting to know people, we can learn that most people are not threats to us, and we can all be united in watching against the people who really are.
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dlandis超过 9 年前
I&#x27;ve met some nice neighbors via Nextdoor (and gotten help with some small things a couple times), but the discussions do tend to degenerate pretty rapidly (so much for posting under one&#x27;s real identity having any significant impact on the quality of discussion...).<p>But anyway, since I live in a high-crime area, by far the most common type of post is someone describing how they were just robbed (oftentimes at gunpoint), or they just saw a car get broken into, etc. It does make me kind of paranoid since I never would have known about any of those crimes had I not been on the site. I feel like my other neighbors who don&#x27;t use it are comparatively clueless about just how much crime there is even within a few blocks of us. I guess that could be considered a good or a bad thing.
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msie超过 9 年前
I, along with many other people have come up with the idea of Nextdoor.com and probably thought of this problem too. Because opening up a site for comments... Well, it seems that Nextdoor doesn&#x27;t have a solution either. What is the purpose of the site if they are hurting the community more than helping it?
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comrh超过 9 年前
I found out about nextdoor.com from reddit. I thought it was so bizarre people would want their full names, address and sometimes pictures broadcast. I wanted to see if I could get in with a fake address and name and they do require you to somehow verify you live there (they mail you a card or you link it to a phone number) so I just gave up. Lo and behold I get an email the next week saying my account had been approved anyone because &quot;one of my neighbors verified I lived there&quot;.
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Disruptive_Dave超过 9 年前
I&#x27;ve been on Nextdoor for well over two years and have seen literally zero of these types of communications. Maybe because I&#x27;m in a racially diverse area (North Brooklyn, NYC)? All threads and replies I&#x27;ve ever seen are: mass transit notifications, crime notifications, lost animals, free junk, stuff for sale, asking for recommendations for local merchants.
msie超过 9 年前
I&#x27;ve got a social problem - I&#x27;ll fix it with technology! Now you&#x27;ve got two problems.
malyk超过 9 年前
This is exactly what happens in my. Sigh irbid on the other side of Oakland (Golden Gate). There are a few white residents that post suspicious person posts&#x2F;images on what seems like every person that walks down the street. I&#x27;ve turned off all crime alerts on nextdoor because of the absurdity of it.
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olefoo超过 9 年前
It sounds like this would be a target for some social activist data mining.<p>Scrape NextDoor, find the people who are posting weirdly racist screeds, and send a well dressed delegation to their doorstep to let them know that their name and identifying details will be posted on another site identifying them as racist bullies if they don&#x27;t alter their behavior.<p>Or, scrap the doorstepping and just send an email blast to their employers, business partners, and facebook contacts.<p>If nothing else, they&#x27;ll stop posting to NextDoor.<p>Yep, it&#x27;s rude, crude and thoroughly within the reach of any group of activists that want to get some notoriety. It&#x27;s also one of those things that will drive home just how panoptic our society has become.
ChuckMcM超过 9 年前
Sad, I wonder why the neighbors don&#x27;t know each other better. We found that organizing block parties was a wonderful way to meet people who have moved in and share with them experiences and stories. Our neighborhood has gone from probably 95% white to now 30% Indian, 40% Chinese, and some Russian and probably the rest typical western european decended whites. Through out that as people move out and people move in we try to make people feel welcome and they really do appreciate it.
ParadigmBlender超过 9 年前
I did not have a positive experience with Nextdoor despite being pretty excited about the service at first. First strike was people posting spammy&#x2F;pyramid scheme type sale stuff. My attempts to contact the local admins did not result in any change. More spam kept being posted.<p>Strike 2&#x2F;3, I did not want to reveal my full name when first signing up. One day I got an email informing me that my account was deleted (not just suspended) because I did not use a real name. There was no chance for me to remedy the situation.<p>Too bad. Anyone know of an alternative?
MichaelGG超过 9 年前
Sort of a weak article - no stats. It&#x27;d be much more useful if it simply stated things clearly. Something like &quot;90% of reports are for Xs, while only 40% of the crimes are by Xs&quot;. Or even better, &quot;out of n Xs, only m commit a crime&quot;. Then show incorrect biases there. (The only stat I saw was % of black population vs % of detainees being black - that&#x27;s not so relevant without knowing actual crime rates. )<p>(Edit: I see why they didn&#x27;t include this stat. According to [1], over 80% of suspects for various crimes were black. So that would explain why the police are pulling over a higher %, right? This still doesn&#x27;t excuse base rate fallacy but sort of dismisses the one stat the article does provide.)<p>Or more usefully, provide better characteristics off which to classify. If race, gender, and clothing have no predictive power, demonstrate that and show what does.<p>Nextdoor could even build priors into the site, over time and help provide accurate predictions. After all, they have both the suspicious report info plus the actual crime info. Imagine if it would rate your post: &quot;Based on your report of a male walking at 6am, the probability this is a criminal is 0.02%&quot; That&#x27;d go a long way towards making people update internal models as well as making them look silly for using non-predictive characteristics. (Though if most crimes are committed by young males, it might be called out as ageist and sexist, but hey if that&#x27;s reality...)<p>Plus you could grade individual users. So combining the base rate of crime, significant characteristics, and past performance of a user? &quot;MaryX, given your past suspicious activity record, there&#x27;s a 99% chance this post is incorrect.&quot;<p>Without this, all it takes is a busybody to report everything they see (and they can select on anything: race, gender, hair color, shoe size) and eventually get a correct hit. Then ignore the times they were wrong and point out how &quot;see I reported this X and it was a thief!&quot;<p>1: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfgate.com&#x2F;bayarea&#x2F;johnson&#x2F;article&#x2F;Oakland-crime-issue-goes-far-deeper-than-racial-5355633.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfgate.com&#x2F;bayarea&#x2F;johnson&#x2F;article&#x2F;Oakland-crime-...</a>
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racl101超过 9 年前
What a drag this is. It&#x27;s pathetic that humans always manage to misuse a tool for evil.