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The UK is replacing roundabouts with traffic lights; US is doing the opposite

49 点作者 jonathansizz超过 9 年前

19 条评论

zb超过 9 年前
I don't see roundabouts as a replacement for traffic lights in the US. Above a certain traffic volume, you'll almost always want to move to traffic lights anyway. They're actually a replacement for the 4-way Stop - a ridiculous type of intersection that ought not to exist.
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mixmastamyk超过 9 年前
The question should be, what is best for this particular intersection in the near future? The two designs have different characteristics.<p>My understanding is that roundabouts are best when traffic is low, when it gets heavy they become much less efficient. Lights, while a lot of overhead in low traffic, scale better. There&#x27;s also the question of space required.<p>Since the UK may have too many roundabouts due to traffic growth, and the US virtually none, they could both be building the opposite and making the right choice.
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rwmj超过 9 年前
There seems to be no data supporting the article&#x27;s assertion that roundabouts are being replaced by traffic lights across the UK as a whole. I&#x27;ll add my own anecdata: many more roundabouts are being built in my area of the UK. There are also roundabouts with traffic lights.<p>As a driver, I much prefer roundabouts. When I&#x27;m cycling, I just prefer roads with fewer cars and can&#x27;t wait for self-driving cars, since at least they won&#x27;t be driven by idiots.<p>There are safer roundabout designs used in Holland: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;05&#x2F;the-best-roundabout-design-for-cyclists.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;05&#x2F;the-best-rounda...</a>
Sanddancer超过 9 年前
The headline makes it sound like it&#x27;s a wholesale thing, but from how the article describes it, traffic agencies in both countries are discovering that some intersections are more useful, safer, etc if they had a different kind of traffic control. As information disperses, it becomes easier for engineers from different countries to share ideas and knowledge to figure out what the best course of action is for a certain type of intersection.
Someone超过 9 年前
<i>&quot;Cyclists have a demonstrably harder time with roundabouts.&quot;</i><p>As the text acknowledges, a lot depends on the design of the roundabout. Just last week, we got <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bicycledutch.wordpress.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;10&#x2F;13&#x2F;explaining-the-dutch-roundabout-abroad&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bicycledutch.wordpress.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;10&#x2F;13&#x2F;explaining-the...</a>, which explains the current thinking of the dutch on roundabout design.<p>Also, roundabouts have become more popular, but traffic deaths certainly haven&#x27;t gone up in the Netherlands (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.swov.nl&#x2F;rapport&#x2F;Factsheets&#x2F;UK&#x2F;FS_Road_fatalities.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.swov.nl&#x2F;rapport&#x2F;Factsheets&#x2F;UK&#x2F;FS_Road_fatalities...</a>).
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anotherevan超过 9 年前
Comment I&#x27;d made[0] on a previous article about roundabouts and their potential for confusion:<p>I live in Victoria, Australia, and we’ve had roundabouts for ages. I think they are very good for a certain scale of road&#x2F;traffic. Mostly intersections with moderate amounts of traffic on average, and not high-speed. e.g., the main intersections within housing estates. Having too many of them instead of give-way signs drive you a little batty (I’m looking at you, Warrnambool) while really heavy traffic, major intersections work better with traffic lights.<p>My daughter recently got her learner license, and she has found roundabouts one of the trickier intersections to navigate. You have to read the traffic flow. This person about to enter on your right is going straight ahead, so will block you entering the roundabout[1], but they have to wait for that person coming the other way from you and going straight through, so you can slip in the gap that creates without cutting anyone else off. As with many things it is familiarity and practice that makes them work[2]. I think roundabouts work very well here for the most part, and my daughter is getting pretty good at reading the traffic. It’s not rocket science[3].<p>The science of roads and traffic I imagine is a surprisingly nuanced expertise involving a lot of physics and psychology. I find when I cross over the border to New South Wales I feel like a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. I eventually figured out it was because the signage was a different distance before the intersection compared to my home state. Once I was aware I could adapt.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10242816" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10242816</a><p>[1] We drive on the left side of the road because Australia is in the southern hemisphere.<p>[2] I bet the first traffic lights caused an uproar. “Why the hell should I stop just because there’s a red light?!”<p>[3] Oh wait, actually, it is rocket science.
zkhalique超过 9 年前
I think if the roundabouts were large, then in fact they would always be superior to traffic lights. I could probably run the math on that, but the idea is that the lights aren&#x27;t sensitive to the actual flow of traffic, and often make things backed up for no reason.
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hugh4超过 9 年前
It&#x27;s possible they&#x27;re both being sensible. Roundabouts are certainly under utilised in the US (unlike those awful four-way stop signs which are particularly hellish for law-abiding cyclists) so putting more in is a good move.<p>However, as traffic at any particular intersection increases it eventually may make sense to replace a roundabout with a traffic light. Roundabouts can handle large amounts of traffic, but only if they&#x27;re large roundabouts -- if you can&#x27;t expand the actual road space then the traffic light is the best move.
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vermontdevil超过 9 年前
Wow I can&#x27;t even. I live in Carmel, IN - basically the roundabout capital of USA. We just built our 100th roundabout and have several more near completion. Love them. Far better than traffic lights.<p>So weird to see the reason we have them is due to our Mayor visiting England many years ago. Now they are going the other way. Did their mayor or someone visit us and fell in love with traffic lights?
malandrew超过 9 年前
Strange. I rode the entire PBP (1200km) last month in France and many of the intersections were roundabouts. I didn&#x27;t see them as any better or worse for cyclists than the 4 way intersections we have today. If anything, it makes it easier for a cyclist to be on the lookout for where a car that could hit them is coming from.
dynomight超过 9 年前
I tend to hate roundabouts. They&#x27;re terrifying. But for 5-ways (and more) I think they can be a better solution than the complicated signage and striping of a traditional intersection. Provided that they are low speed.<p>There should be a compass marking at the center of each roundabout as standard.
shocks超过 9 年前
Here is a particularly terrifying roundabout: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.co.uk&#x2F;maps&#x2F;@51.5628134,-1.7714704,177m&#x2F;data=!3m1!1e3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.co.uk&#x2F;maps&#x2F;@51.5628134,-1.7714704,177m&#x2F;da...</a>
bitwize超过 9 年前
O hai. Welcome to Massachusetts, where the roundabouts have traffic lights, and getting from the Tufts campus to downtown Somerville becomes a game of multidimensional live-action Frogger. And that&#x27;s if you HAVE a walk signal.
chrismealy超过 9 年前
Dutch roundabouts are the best. Lots of videos here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bicycledutch.wordpress.com&#x2F;tag&#x2F;roundabout&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bicycledutch.wordpress.com&#x2F;tag&#x2F;roundabout&#x2F;</a>
sremani超过 9 年前
The overuse of roundabouts is US is in Bend OR. For some reason, I have seen at least half-a-dozen roundabouts there. Most cities, I visited in US have at most a couple of them. Bend OR is roundabout-ville.
ck2超过 9 年前
My town put in a few roundabouts last year and I already noticed memorial flowers at one of them, not sure if for pedestrian, bicycle or car.
stormcrowsx超过 9 年前
I could see roundabouts being an advantage on smaller one or two lane streets but beyond that it seems like it would get dangerous fast.
andrewchambers超过 9 年前
Why not have a roundabout with traffic lights on the entrances which are turned on at peak times only to ensure even flow.
ctstover超过 9 年前
I fucking hate roundabouts.<p>There. I feel better now. Thanks.<p>Wait, no the rage is coming back - multi-lanes!!! ahhh!! help!