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The EU’s new internet rules will hurt the continent’s startups

115 点作者 jeo1234超过 9 年前

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TeMPOraL超过 9 年前
I don&#x27;t understand such articles, maybe someone can clarify the issue for me? If a company can do Harmful Things X and Y, and then a law appears that bans it from doing X but for some reason does not cover Y, then how is the rule <i>hurting</i> the victims of that company? How can reducing but not completely eliminating harmful things actually be actively hurting?
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KaiserPro超过 9 年前
The main problem with this argument is that &quot;net neutrality&quot; is a poorly defined term.<p>What it has come to symbolise in the states is the lack competition, and the ability of At&amp;t verizon and timewarner to stifle competition.<p>For example: the netflix fiasco.<p>Comcast wanted money for peering directly with netflix.<p>In the UK and most of Europe that sort of dick waving is very very difficult to achieve.<p>Firstly because there is competition in the UK, holland, france etc., there is more than one provider of broadband in most areas (and very very tight rules about what the monopoly can charge.)<p>That means that if netflix is slow because a certain company is playing hardball, customers will leave. So deliberately slowing down a key legal service is going to loose you customers. Doing so in an effort to boost your own rival will also lead to successful prosecution (unlike in the states)<p>Secondly here in europe, peering is cheap and easy. Places like LINX, LONAP and the european equivalents means that peering centres are co-owned by all the people peering. Not a Big ISP. There are still peering agreements where money is changed hands.<p>Thirdly ISPs here are more than happy to have Edge caches. why? because it cuts down on the need for peak bandwidth to non local traffic. It also cuts down on bandwidth going other third-party connections(which again cost money).<p>Crucially, Not all traffic is treated the same. For the last 10 years QoS has been applied to virtually all domestic connections. You literally cannot have cheap broadband, with full connectivity and no traffic shaping <i>and</i> it be usable. To make sure that your domestic internet is usable the ISP would have to provision your full link speed in the backhaul, to all upstream networks.<p>ISPs may say that they don&#x27;t traffic manage, but they are 100% telling porkies. In the UK, all ISPs have a fair use policy. This states that certain types of traffic will be slowed during peak hours, <i>or</i> that if you use too much bandwidth your whole connection will be slowed.<p>Traffic management is universal.
tigerente超过 9 年前
With &quot;special services&quot; insufficiently defined, this opens up a lot of possibilities. Just today, Deutsche Telekom announced that &quot;According to our [Deutsche Telekom] ideas, they [startups] pay for it as part of a revenue sharing of a few percent. That would be a fair contribution for the use of infrastructure.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10472765" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10472765</a><p>With &quot;video conferencing, online gaming, telemedicine automated traffic control and self-steering cars up to integrated production processes in the industry&quot; as examples of users needing to pay, this goes a lot further than what has always been argued for by the commission.
nraynaud超过 9 年前
a UK conservative magasine against an EU action, so surprising. To them, even if EU cured cancer it would still be wrong. Why do we see so many links of this website here actually? Like most UK people they hate the EU, and they are only part of it for subversion.
signaler超过 9 年前
&#x27;Internet&#x27; and &#x27;rules&#x27; in the same sentence is a contradiction in terms. The web was not designed for the kind of draconian oversight you see in the EU and elsewhere. Anything that resembles some form of rigidity will be made less rigid and force startups to &#x27;think differently&#x27; and more fluid. It&#x27;s a form of present shock (as Rushkoff has coined) which people are not used to that you see in bustling Shoreditch and other tech melting pots. You actually have people who look like The Internet in those places with USB flash drives as necklaces...
dsthode超过 9 年前
Completely unrelated to the topic, but did anyone notice that the article is from the future? Has Oct. 31st as publication date.
miguelrochefort超过 9 年前
I&#x27;ve been saying that Net Neutrality was a bad idea from day 1. Nobody would listen.<p>There you go.<p>Regulation is always a bad thing.
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s3nnyy超过 9 年前
Yet another reason why I live in Switzerland, which is NOT in the EU. Read my story here: &quot;Eight reasons why I moved to Switzerland (to work in IT)&quot;: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@iwaninzurich&#x2F;eight-reasons-why-i-moved-to-switzerland-to-work-in-it-c7ac18af4f90" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@iwaninzurich&#x2F;eight-reasons-why-i-moved-t...</a> If you are interested in coming to Switzerland, just shoot me a mail.
skimpycompiler超过 9 年前
That&#x27;s why any startup that wants business will make an Inc in the US.<p>It&#x27;s legally much simpler to do so, and leave your offices in the cheap EU. US Inc can employ your offices and at the same time have no people working in the US.<p>US is saved by ruthless capitalism. When I see what politicians from my country voted on I&#x27;m realizing that journalists, political science majors, historians, spanish&#x2F;english&#x2F;lang language teachers, philosophers, artists and bunch of other social scientists know much about nothing - maybe it says something about our national universities, maybe about these science areas as a whole, who knows. But for some reason they think they are capable of having a career in politics, and it works.
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