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Ten years ago Wikipedia was widely considered a doomed experiment

112 点作者 kareemm超过 9 年前

21 条评论

ctolsen超过 9 年前
&quot;It’s hard to believe today, but 10 years ago Wikipedia was widely considered a doomed experiment run by utopian radicals.&quot;<p>I have absolutely no recollection of this. Wikipedia has had some trouble, just like any other successful project, but has in my view been widely regarded as a pretty successful project that everyone wants to have around (unless you sold encyclopedias).
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mike_hearn超过 9 年前
Well, Wikipedia is pretty famous for its fairly vicious politics, infighting and general difficulty of getting incorrect articles fixed if someone has decided to camp on them. Whenever I read it I&#x27;m constantly amazed that it works as well as it does, given that whenever I peer behind the curtain what&#x27;s going on there is fairly appalling.<p>I remember some years ago the wiki page for Bitcoin insisted it was a ponzi scheme. Wikipedia has a page that defines the essential elements of a ponzi scheme and Bitcoin didn&#x27;t meet them, but no matter - edits to remove this statement were immediately reverted and diverted to an endless discussion page in which the camper in question couldn&#x27;t be persuaded by any means, not logic, not evidence, not weight of people disagreeing. I see that these days the issue has been &quot;resolved&quot; by having an entire section called &quot;ponzi scheme dispute&quot; that consists merely of different pundits contradicting each other.<p>Still, this is better than it used to be.
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swang超过 9 年前
When the SOPA&#x2F;PIPA protests happened in 2012, I was really surprised to learn that students were upset since all they used as a resource was Wikipedia.<p>I mean for the most part I agree with the quoted articles in that Wikipedia is hard to &quot;verify&quot; other than what you believe sounds true. And sometimes this happens.<p>1) Someone write something on Wikipedia 2) Person changes it 3) Another person reverts, citing source X. Source X is &quot;Celebrity Magazine&quot; which may or may not have actually checked that fact on Wikipedia. 5) Repeat<p>It is a bit scary how much our source of information is just this one site source without decent &quot;fact&quot; checking other than turf war related reasons.<p>Here is one: I am pretty certain that Alicia Keys was born in 1980 and not 1981 as her Wikipedia article says. I have no way to prove this based on Wikipedia standards and if you look on &quot;the Internet&quot; you sometimes see 1980 and sometimes see 1981. The editors who turfed her page at the time sided with the 1981 timeline.<p>And how did they &quot;prove&quot; it was 1981? They showed links to some music related websites with articles about her saying she was born in that year. Completely ignoring alternative sources that said she was born in 1981.<p>I mean there are certain explanations on why this happened: 1) A major publication cited her DOB as 1981, others followed suit. 2) Alicia keys&#x27; handlers want her to be a year younger than she is, so she told her PR people to make sure everyone says she was born a year younger. 3) Someone misheard she was born in 1981, wrote that down on Wikipedia, then everyone else just used Wikipedia as a reference.<p>The problem I&#x27;m trying to get at is, Wikipedia is so popular its hard to figure out if people are just lazy and using it as a source, which perpetuates this cycle of &quot;Fact F on Article A is true because of source S, Source S it turns out, used article A to look up Fact F and reprinted it without really fact checking F.<p>So yeah, popular, but hard to determine how accurate. &#x2F;rant.
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vezzy-fnord超过 9 年前
My recollections from Wikipedia back in 2005 were quite impressive given the massive scale and open contribution barriers of the project.<p>In fact, the reception is just as split today as it was back then. Especially in light of increased grievances regarding how Wikipedia&#x27;s bureaucracy operates.
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hvs超过 9 年前
Wikipedia is what convinced everyone that you could &quot;crowd-source&quot; everything. That inevitably spawned all sorts of doomed experiments. But the only ones who considered <i>Wikipedia</i> a &quot;doomed experiment&quot; were those who had a vested interest in that being true.
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cwyers超过 9 年前
&gt; There are occasional errors and controversies, but for the most part it provides accurate, comprehensive information to billions of people every day.<p>Comprehensive? What?
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reitanqild超过 9 年前
10 years ago I was optimistic about Wikipedia.<p>For me Wikipedia and Stackoverflow are now only reference material; - I rarely even consider contributing. I still pay a bit once in a while for the fundraisers but my feeling is that will decrease as well.
beagle3超过 9 年前
Personal anecdote: I was in a location where Jimmy Wales introduced himself in 2007 with a simple, &quot;My name is Jimmy Wales, I started Wikipedia&quot;. Some 50 very senior people from many industries and professions all said &quot;thank you!&quot; enthusiastically in response.<p>It wasn&#x27;t considered a failure or doomed in any circle I frequented 10 years ago, and I did a lot (academia, business, entrepreneurship, makers, more) -- and it wasn&#x27;t so with anyone of the &quot;general population&quot; that I associated with. The only less-than-positive remarks I&#x27;ve heard about Wikipedia where from people who snarked &quot;but anyone anywhere can change a value any time, how can you ever trust that?&quot; Which is, of course, true -- but a variation of which applies to e.g. Encyclopedia Britannica just as well.
oldmanjay超过 9 年前
This article is essentially an approximation of a Jay-Z song, celebrating the triumph over adversity and haters. If Wikipedia started out selling crack the similarities would be overwhelming.<p>Good on ya, Wikipedia! You&#x27;ve come a long way up.
Kumaiti超过 9 年前
Just like almost everything else that ends up getting big and successful.
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skrowl超过 9 年前
Today it&#x27;s just widely considered a very popular but doomed experiment. Wikipedia is corrupt as hell and the power of editing important pages lies in the hands of a few elites.
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davidgerard超过 9 年前
The talk was that it was doomed, but from inside it was blindingly obvious that, &quot;if we want a good encyclopedia in ten years, it&#x27;s going to have to be a good Wikipedia.&quot; I said so at the time: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org&#x2F;277688.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org&#x2F;277688.html</a>
arafa超过 9 年前
It would seem there&#x27;s a conflict of interest between Wikipedia and those that report on it, since there&#x27;s some overlap there. Reminds me of the old Upton Sinclair quote: &quot;It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.&quot;
EA超过 9 年前
Upper management sent out an email my workforce telling us &quot;to beware the Wikis&quot;. Their stance was that since anyone can edit it, it can not be trusted and that it could potentially host malicious content.
pbreit超过 9 年前
The current example of similar style &quot;claim chowder&quot; is probably Bob Lutz&#x27; commentary on Tesla. And I would do the same thing I did back then re: Wikipedia: acknowledge but discount.
kingmanaz超过 9 年前
Wikipedia has succeeded in allowing the victors to write history. Nothing damaging to the status quo escapes the paid Hasbara editors.
antonmaju超过 9 年前
Long-long time ago, there was Microsoft Encarta
austenallred超过 9 年前
I wonder how successful Wikipedia would have been if it weren&#x27;t for being the first result in almost every Google query.
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panglott超过 9 年前
To be fair, pretty much everything on the Internet in 2005 was a doomed experiment. Plenty of them have beat the odds.
MrPatan超过 9 年前
I never had the impression this was true 10 years ago. Source: I was there
yarrel超过 9 年前
Clickbait title is clickbait. And wrong.