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Why is Japan using cassette tapes and faxes?

72 点作者 jsnathan超过 9 年前

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voidz超过 9 年前
The older I get, the more sympathy I have for companies that that stuck with older but working systems that don&#x27;t come with a mouse and monitor.<p>Sometimes I feel like we&#x27;re building a prison for ourselves the way things are headed in the digital world. Where I live, some schools require kids aged 5 to own iPads so they can do homework. It as fun when it was optional, but I really don&#x27;t want to continue digitizing and feeding the machine my own kids.<p>I worry about this every day, so my first reaction and general feeling with this article was, <i>cool</i>. Reminds me of walkmans and roll skates. I&#x27;m old fashined and have no problem admitting it. I also don&#x27;t think everyone should feel the same way, it&#x27;s just how I see things.
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WBrentWilliams超过 9 年前
I&#x27;ll leave the article as-is. This isn&#x27;t the first article to grace HN that stated that Japanese companies tend to be slow adopters. What I want to know is why the highlight on human traffic signalers as an indicator of how &quot;backwards&quot; the culture is technologically.<p>It seems to me that if the goal is not just public safety, but to put a human face on law enforcement, a human traffic signal is exactly what is required. True, a robot can do the job, but a robot would be ineffective at the task of humanizing the reasons behind the laws and in providing assistance to people who need it.
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drderidder超过 9 年前
The article is somewhat misleading. Keeping up with software evolution is something large North American companies struggle with as well, and while Japanese companies may be slower to adopt some software trends that are commonplace here, Japan lags in very few areas technologically - and leads in a lot of others. Every time I visit I&#x27;m blown away by the innovative application of technology. There are electronically controlled traffic lights aplenty in Japan, ubiquitous high speed internet, and all the accoutrements of modern electronic communication in greater abundance and density than most of North America. The &quot;human powered traffic lights&quot; the writer alludes to are just safety officers who assist traffic and pedestrians at some crossings where construction is underway, usually <i>in addition to</i> to the usual traffic signals; an example of the emphasis on service and attention to detail sorely lacking on this side of the pond. If faxes are still in use it&#x27;s a result of the fact that practically everybody had one in their house long before most North Americans had ever used one. Having been so widely adopted, it&#x27;s not too surprising that their use has continued for longer. I think the author went a bit hyperbolic in an effort to make a headline out of something which is actually not that big of a deal, although there are likely just as many if not more opportunities for software modernization in Japan as there are elsewhere.
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jefurii超过 9 年前
James Fallows of The Atlantic wrote a lot about Japan in the 1990s, and he had this great observation.<p>In Japan you drive to the station and sit in the car while several people fill your tank, wash your windows, and do other busywork. It seems like a huge waste and makes gas cost more.<p>We know how to do things better and more efficiently in the US. But in the US those same young people are sitting at home unemployed.
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osullivj超过 9 年前
I experienced this myself when I built a new browser based single dealer channel for the interest rate trading business of a large UK bank in 2008-10. Part of the motivation of single dealer channels is to get wholesale bank clients off the people intensive voice &amp; email channels (phone calls to highly paid sales people) and on to self service electronic channels. For instance, for an index tracking block trade, we&#x27;d want to deter them from emailing a sales person a spreadsheet, and encourage them to upload via a browser for automated processing. The resistance to changing entrenched manual workflow among Japanese clients was phenomenal, and far greater than in London or New York.
adrianN超过 9 年前
Using old software is not uncommon in many large companies. Not everyone is Google or Microsoft, and at the forefront of technical innovation. Change is expensive in large companies and the value proposition from new software is often vague and hard to quantize in dollars. New software means training people, changing processes to accommodate the new tech and, last but not least, paying money for the software itself. For the management, this is usually seen as a huge cost with little tangible benefit.
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MichaelMoser123超过 9 年前
I wonder if that&#x27;s the norm rather than a Japanese peculiarity.<p>it&#x27;s a bit like that in Germany too - mostly small and middle sized companies are dominating, and people don&#x27;t like to upgrade that much over there. The end of support for Windows XP last year used to be a major shocker, so the issue got some media coverage and reports were generally speaking of the danger to smaller firms [1]. Still nowadays only 17% of all installations are running XP (down from 26-30% last year). [2]<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.deutschlandfunk.de&#x2F;windows-xp-eingestellter-support-gefaehrdet-unternehmen.769.de.html?dram:article_id=282369" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.deutschlandfunk.de&#x2F;windows-xp-eingestellter-suppo...</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.technet.com&#x2F;b&#x2F;microsoft_presse&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2015&#x2F;04&#x2F;08&#x2F;windows-xp-ein-jahr-nach-support-ende-deutlich-weniger-nutzer-aber-risiken-bleiben.aspx" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.technet.com&#x2F;b&#x2F;microsoft_presse&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2015&#x2F;04&#x2F;...</a>
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hcarvalhoalves超过 9 年前
Japan is a place where the future arrived first so now they&#x27;re stuck with a lot of legacy from the 80&#x2F;90&#x27;s &quot;future&quot;.
jccalhoun超过 9 年前
The fax machine&#x27;s popularity seems to be an evergreen story for slow news days. I remembered a story about it that mentioned that restaurants in japan still took a lot of orders through fax and in looking for it found lots of articles: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;02&#x2F;14&#x2F;world&#x2F;asia&#x2F;in-japan-the-fax-machine-is-anything-but-a-relic.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;02&#x2F;14&#x2F;world&#x2F;asia&#x2F;in-japan-the-fa...</a> (the one I was looking for from 2013) another from 2012: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;asia_pacific&#x2F;in-japan-fax-machines-find-a-final-place-to-thrive&#x2F;2012&#x2F;06&#x2F;07&#x2F;gJQAshFPMV_story.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;asia_pacific&#x2F;in-japan-f...</a> and the bbc itself wrote another one in 2012 as well <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;magazine-19045837" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;magazine-19045837</a>
Mimick超过 9 年前
Japanese people&#x27;s culture is &quot;If it&#x27;s working like that, keep it like that&quot;.<p>I once had to make a Japanese website for a cars wholesale company that ship cars for different countries on the world and they used to do a lot of work manually on their old website wanted to update it because they lost contact with the old developer (used to HTML the website).<p>He was like no-no for everything that will cost money (themes, plugins...), I didn&#x27;t felt comfortable dealing with him since he said no for a $50 translation plugin and he wanted translation on his website (he will get transitioned text himself somehow, don&#x27;t like this step step things...) and I&#x27;m sure I will charge him more than $50 to write a translation plugin (since I won&#x27;t put it on an online store).
agentultra超过 9 年前
I think this article might be over-stating the lack of technological adoption at Japanese companies to the point of characterizing the nation as some backwards Kafka-esque nightmare.<p>I was just at the Openstack Tokyo Design Summit where there were plenty of Japanese companies sharing their stories of adopting and contributing to Openstack technologies: NTT DoCoMo, NEC, Fujitsu, Yahoo Japan, and others. These are not small companies and many of them are building critical public infrastructure on Openstack.<p>You can still buy cassette tapes in corner stores in Canada and there are many industries here where people still use fax machines (ie: lawyers, realtors, contractors). I don&#x27;t think Japan is unique in this regard.
A010超过 9 年前
This is an example of many other Asia countries as well, even if the host country is &quot;hi-tech&quot; but the excuse is always be &quot;our company isn&#x27;t hi-tech&quot;. If you&#x27;re not working in trending industries, eg. e-commerce, mobile, finance, banking, etc., you&#x27;d expect to be stuck with 10yo technology.<p>I was using a HP Gen 3 server to query DNS to get here to input this comment.
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melling超过 9 年前
HN user patio11 got mentioned.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;user?id=patio11" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;user?id=patio11</a>
stevetrewick超过 9 年前
tl;dr: Super conservative business culture, arguably not news but :<p><i>&gt;&quot;Japanese companies generally lag foreign companies by roughly five-to-10 years in adoption of modern IT practices, particularly those specific to the software industry,&quot; says Patrick McKenzie, boss of Starfighter, a software company with operations in Tokyo and Chicago.</i><p>Didn&#x27;t know it was quite that much lag.
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ksec超过 9 年前
I actually quite like Fax as an idea, Put in the number, and send it over. The problem is Fax is too slow.<p>Over the years I have been trying, testing and implementing a paperless office. But Not in a tech industry, and you can imagine how hard that is.<p>Yes we even tried iPad or tablet rather, it didn&#x27;t work as well. There is digital whiteboard, I dont have the budget to test those out. But I guess it still wont replace stickers and massive whiteboard.<p>You still draw and sketch or design on a piece of scrap paper. I haven&#x27;t try the iPad Pro ( its not out yet ), but i am not convinced this will improve my work flow either.<p>Then I start to question the notion of paperless. And it turns out may be getting rid of paper isn&#x27;t the solution at all. Pen and Paper is the possibly the easiest form of recording down information. The problem with paper is how we find and file these information later. ( And its environmental issues. )
itazula超过 9 年前
Fax machines -- They are single-function machines, and they are easy to use. No viruses or malware. Reminds me of the calculator I sometimes use ...
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jimpick超过 9 年前
One overlooked reason is that it&#x27;s just plain harder to build searchable indexable clean databases with the writing system (kanji, hiragana, katakani, romaji and English all in use simultaneously). Manual methods often work better.
fit2rule超过 9 年前
Old computers never die. Their users do. This is something that the Japanese culture seems to really understand.<p>It doesn&#x27;t matter if its fashionable, fast, or efficient. If it <i>works</i>, <i>use</i> it.
lefstathiou超过 9 年前
I am very fascinated and curious as to what Japan did &#x2F; does to mitigate the formation of business conglomerates. I am skeptical but open minded to the fact that this could just be cultural - many US laws and tax policies encourage scale. Googling around now but if anyone has thoughts or a book recommendation please let me know.
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bovermyer超过 9 年前
Japan&#x27;s big problem here is that they don&#x27;t see a need for a car when a horse works just fine.<p>And if that&#x27;s the world they want to live in, that&#x27;s fine - no judgment here.<p>I, however, choose to live with and embrace a culture of advancement and change. That requires living in the USA. Maybe in Europe.
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gerbilly超过 9 年前
I prefer the security of sending a fax over sending an email.<p>To eavesdrop on a fax transmission would require you to eavesdrop on a telephone line just at the right time.<p>It&#x27;s a point to point communication over a private line, as opposed to email that travels over public trunks, and past At&amp;T &#x27;closets&#x27; full of FBI&#x2F;NSA equipment.<p>So for sending sensitive documents like passports etc, I&#x27;d much rather scan and fax than send an email.<p>(Now of course, the first thing the office worker does on receiving my fax is surely to scan and email it to some other coworker, but that is beyond my control.)
unsignedint超过 9 年前
Well, it&#x27;s a country with the chronic debate of whether résumé should be handwritten or printed. (Yes, really.)<p>For the worse or the better, it&#x27;s the country where the posture of commitment counts. There are so many people who take printed out material &quot;cold&quot; or sign of slack, for example.<p>I can certainly relate to this article when a fairly recent project I worked involved passing around bug report as spreadsheet file instead of a bug tracking system...
reacweb超过 9 年前
fax is still very useful in France if you want to quickly solve an issue with a bank. Most of the banks do not accept documents send by mails, they ask to use post mail. If we insist a bit, they often accept to use fax. My ISP (Free is the best ISP in France) provides a fax number to send and receive pdf documents. It is not as handy as a mail, but it is a lot faster than post mail.
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rwmj超过 9 年前
The analysis seems flawed. If &quot;10 year old software&quot; works, why upgrade it? If SMEs are conservative about software practices, the solution would be education of business owners, not trying to create more massive companies.
bramstolk超过 9 年前
Because they lack young people?<p>If the ageing workforce just keeps doing its thing, without a your person showing them the new stuff, the new stuff does not happen.<p>Simple demographics.