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Why nuclear energy is our best option at the moment

398 点作者 nrcha超过 9 年前

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yazriel超过 9 年前
The article is completely unprofessional. The tone itself is very one-sided - which is bad enough. However, the factual omissions are ridiculous.<p>Here are a few examples:<p>the area used for wind turbines is large, but it is usually re-usable for agriculture, or increasingly off shore<p>official nuclear death are low - but there is a lot of dispute on the &quot;long tail&quot; of long term deaths from the big nuclear disasters of Ukraine and Japan<p>they (correctly) mention the environmental cost of materials for renewable energy, but ignore the similar pollution of Uranium mining and enrichment<p>4th generation nuclear reactor are still not even past the design stage. How can anyone even put a price tag on these ?<p>3rd generation nuclear reactor are more expensive than claimed in the article. The real prices of real reactors in the real world in the past decade are x3 the expected costs.<p>There is simply not enough uranium for a full build out of 3rd generation nuclear. 4th generation will be required, and it is still in the r&amp;d stage<p>There is no mention of the huge problem of load-following when using nuclear plants. You cant just assume 90% CF and then ignore this.<p>Most importantly, IMHO, they completely ignore the learning curve for solar &amp; wind. This is a <i>proven</i> trend, over last decades, appears to be set to continue, and completely changes the discussion.<p>And on and on....<p>My own views are pro-nuclear AND pro-renewable. But this requires a scientific and accurate discussion!
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pjc50超过 9 年前
&quot;We could do it for $1 Trillion with liquid-fueled Molten Salt Reactors, on the same amount of land, but with no water cooling, no risk of meltdowns, and the ability to use our stockpiles of nuclear “waste” as a secondary fuel.&quot;<p>This is not a production-ready technology, though. I believe there are lingering problems with corrosion. And the claim that the MSR doesn&#x27;t require secondary water cooling is odd: what&#x27;s the turbine working fluid heat dump supposed to be?<p>I really object to phrasing energy policy as either&#x2F;or. Build out renewables, now, because that&#x27;s ready. Let&#x27;s give the MSR a fair go at getting to production-ready, see if the problems can be worked out.<p>Let&#x27;s <i>not</i> build a nuclear plant whose output is subsidized to twice the normal wholesale cost: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;business-22772441" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;business-22772441</a>
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Animats超过 9 年前
Well, we&#x27;ll know soon how the new AP-1000 reactor works. The first unit starts up next year, in China.[1] The first US unit should start up in 2019. It&#x27;s a boring old pressurized water reactor and should work.<p>The history of large exotic reactor designs is poor. Sodium-cooled reactors have sodium fires. Helium-cooled reactors have helium leaks (The Ft. St. Vrain story is sad; good idea, but some badly designed components in the radioactive section.) Pebble bed reactors jam. (A small one in Germany is jammed, shut down, and can&#x27;t be decommissioned.) Molten salt reactors require an on-site chemical plant which processes the radioactive molten salt. Chemical plants for radioactive materials are a huge headache and have the potential to leak. With pressurized water reactors, you only have to handle water, not radioactive fluorine salts.<p>All designs where the radioactive portion of the system has much complexity have had major problems. Fixing anything in the radioactive part is extremely difficult. But the reactor has to run for decades to be profitable.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sanmen_Nuclear_Power_Station" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sanmen_Nuclear_Power_Station</a>
brrt超过 9 年前
Actually, renewable energy is, when you actually run the numbers in a sensible way, pretty cost effective: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencedirect.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;article&#x2F;pii&#x2F;S0378775312014759" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencedirect.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;article&#x2F;pii&#x2F;S0378775312...</a> - this finds that with 90% solar&#x2F;wind and modest amounts of storage, electricity would be cheaper in 2030 than it is today, and that the cheapest option is actually a vast overcapacity. There are plenty of flaws with that article, but still less than this post.
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pippy超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m in the awkward position of supporting nuclear power in a country that has its anti-nuclear stance apart of its national identity. New Zealands Prime Minster David Lange famously argued against it at an Oxford Union debate, and ever since kiwis have viewed it as us standing against the &#x27;big guy&#x27;.<p>Some people I&#x27;ve spoken to view this as on par with not supporting the All Blacks. To top this off, they typically have an irrational fear of nuclear power steaming from pop culture such as <i>The Simpsons</i>.<p>It&#x27;s New Zealand&#x27;s dirty little secret that we&#x27;re no where near the &quot;100% pure&quot; ad campaigns we&#x27;re running. Half our rivers are polluted beyond repair. We have less forest coverage than Japan. We flooded vast tracts of land for our dams. And we&#x27;re still dependent on non renewables for our electricity.
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lumberjack超过 9 年前
The article looks at the cost of energy over the lifetime of the nuclear power plant. There is no argument that energy generated through fission is very cheap when looked at that way. However that totally ignores the enormous startup costs.<p>The great thing about wind and solar is that you don&#x27;t have to build a whole farm. You can start small and keep adding as you come across more capital.<p>In any case I don&#x27;t see why one needs to make it a dichotomy. The entities who invest in alternative energy are probably not the same ones who could invest in a nuclear power plant because of the above mentioned startup costs.<p>It&#x27;s not clear to me whether fission will come back any time soon but wind and solar will keep gaining in market share.
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bradleyjg超过 9 年前
The biggest problem with nuclear is making the numbers work. You end up paying something like 80% of the cost 1 GW&#x2F;year * 50 years before you get your first cent in revenue. That&#x27;s a very tough thing to finance. Cost and especially time overruns during construction can easily tank the project financially. About the only way to make it work is to be a regulated utility that has a long term captured audience for its power. One that&#x27;s very likely to be the same size or bigger for the next half century. Even there you still have to worry about technological change pulling the carpet out from under you in 20 or 30 years.<p>That&#x27;s leaving aside the questions of insurance, local and federal regulatory approval, and waste disposal &#x2F; decommissioning costs.
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frankus超过 9 年前
If they&#x27;re going to have something called a NERD NOTE, they should at least get their units right:<p>&quot;The entire planet’s electrical consumption is right around 5 terawatt-hours.&quot;<p>5TWh per what? Per second? Per hour (then why not 5TW?)? Per year? Cumulative over all of human history?
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ju-st超过 9 年前
The German wikipedia does have some interesting references to reports on thorium reactors from the British National Nuclear Laboratories [1][2]:<p>&gt; In the foreseeable future (up to the next 20 years), the only realistic prospect for deploying thorium fuels on a commercial basis would be in existing and new build LWRs (e.g., AP1000 and EPR) or PHWRs (e.g., Candu reactors). Thorium fuel concepts which require first the construction of new reactor types (such as High Temperature Reactor (HTR), fast reactors and Accelerator Driven Systems (ADS)) are regarded as viable only in the much longer term (of the order of 40+ years minimum) as this is the length of time before these reactors are expected to be designed, built and reach commercial maturity.<p>1: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;de.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Fl%C3%BCssigsalzreaktor#Kritische_Expertenstudien_zu_MSR_und_Thoriumnutzung" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;de.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Fl%C3%BCssigsalzreaktor#Kritis...</a> 2: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20130126205622&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nnl.co.uk&#x2F;media&#x2F;8241&#x2F;nnl__1314092891_thorium_cycle_position_paper.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20130126205622&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nnl.co...</a>
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tim333超过 9 年前
Hmm... the article has solar&#x2F;wind costing 6 or more times as much as nuclear<p>Wikipedia has them costing about the same <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cost_of_electricity_by_source#United_States" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cost_of_electricity_by_source#...</a><p>Plus solar etc. are dropping in price in each year in a way that nuclear isn&#x27;t. I suspect someone&#x27;s numbers are a bit off.
lolc超过 9 年前
Hahaa, look how they considered the cost for nuclear waste storage:<p>&quot;Because the future cost of safe storage is uncertain, we refrained from including any numbers.&quot;<p>Of course I&#x27;m joking. They just didn&#x27;t mention it.
natch超过 9 年前
The word &quot;centralized&quot; does not appear anywhere in their post, which tells me that they are not thinking about that as an issue. But it is an important bias of nuclear energy, the bias toward centralization. One of the benefits of solar is that it can be either centralized, or decentralized, or a hybrid of the two. Being less biased in this way, it opens up more flexible options.<p>Another important aspect of solar is that its performance is a moving target. Because solar cells are improving over time, comparisons against them need to be kept updated, or else the underlying assumptions of the comparison are invalid.
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tomcam超过 9 年前
I am not reflexively anti-nuclear. However, I have never heard a satisfactory answer to the simple question: &quot;How do we store nuclear waste safely?&quot;
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jagermo超过 9 年前
I have nothing against nuclear energy, but I have a problem with &quot;let&#x27;s just put the waste, idunno, here and let it sit for a few thousand years&quot;.<p>In Germany, several of the energy companies completley distanced themselves from the waste they produce. I was at a conference once, where one of the heads of EnKK (a dauthger of EnBW) said after beeing asked what he things his responsibilities for the waste are:<p>&quot;Well you know, you don&#x27;t care what happens to your waste at home. Look to the law, we are not responsible.&quot;<p>I think this is one of the biggest reasons why nuclear power has run its course. I might be feasable for contries like the US, Russia or China to find a spot where to store their nuclear waste, but in densly populated areas in Europe? No way.<p>Just look at the catastrophy that is the Asse: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Asse_II_mine" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Asse_II_mine</a><p>Tl;dr: As long as there is no secure way to store nuclear waste for a thousand years, nuclear has no future.
drzaiusapelord超过 9 年前
Considering all the delays involved in getting up new plants (both technical and political) we&#x27;re looking at what, a decade out for something with a break-even point of several decades? How far will renewables be then? There might be some logic to further invest in renewables instead of spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a stop-gap solution that&#x27;s guaranteed to just take us to peak uranium sooner than later. That said, we shouldn&#x27;t be decommissioning existing plants for political reasons like the Germans are.<p>From a personal perspective I think I&#x27;m using less electricity than ever. I only have CFL&#x2F;LED bulbs, flat screen TV&#x27;s use less power than old tubes, every appliance I own is tons more efficient than the stuff just a generation ago, etc. Heck, even my powerful desktop PC uses a lot less power than before.
intrasight超过 9 年前
Utilities are mostly free to build nuclear power plants. They don&#x27;t because a) they can afford the construction cost, and b) they can&#x27;t afford the insurance cost. So the nuclear industry says &quot;no problem, we&#x27;ll just ask the government to subsidize the construction cost and pass laws to shield you from liability&quot;. But they are finding that the &quot;public risk - private profit&quot; paradigm doesn&#x27;t sell so well anymore for some reason.
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vanessapu超过 9 年前
I absolutely agree that nuclear is our best option as long as the reactor and the waste is located in your backyard.
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blazespin超过 9 年前
A new study in Nature says that using thorium as a nuclear fuel has a higher risk for proliferation into weapons than scientists had believed. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.popularmechanics.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;energy&#x2F;a11907&#x2F;is-the-superfuel-thorium-riskier-than-we-thought-14821644&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.popularmechanics.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;energy&#x2F;a11907&#x2F;is-the...</a>
jorangreef超过 9 年前
A nuclear researcher from iThemba Labs gave a talk at University of Cape Town shortly after the Fukushima accident.<p>1. During his talk, he mentioned that nuclear plants are designed to have a very low probability of Chernobyl-scale failure, and that the current rate of Chernobyl-scale failure given the number of nuclear plants in production is roughly 1 every 20 years.<p>2. He eventually concluded his talk by saying that we should double the number of nuclear plants in production around the world to remove our dependence on coal.<p>I asked a question at the end of his talk, given point 1. then point 2. would mean 1 Chernobyl every 10 years. He was completely dumbfounded. He had never combined his ideas with simple probability theory. One physics student present then said angrily: &quot;Yes, but we will get better at building nuclear plants.&quot;
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Thiz超过 9 年前
Or just install solar roofs with power walls in every single american home for 1 trillion dollars and be done with it. No need to occupy extra land or run expensive machinery and power lines all over the country.<p>Distributed energy is the future.
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mbil超过 9 年前
I don&#x27;t know anything about nuclear energy, but a friend who works in nuclear tech told me that the reason thorium as an energy source hasn&#x27;t been embraced is because its byproduct can be used for weapons. That doesn&#x27;t look to be exactly accurate (based on a few minutes of googling), but there might be some truth to it.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;phys.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;2012-12-thorium-proliferation-nuclear-wonder-fuel.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;phys.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;2012-12-thorium-proliferation-nuclear-w...</a>
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peoii超过 9 年前
It&#x27;s the sad truth that people seem very for nuclear, but no one wants to live near it. Of course, I&#x27;ve seen articles regarding people who don&#x27;t want to live near wind turbines, so maybe people are just far to fickle.
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jerven超过 9 年前
Its a nice write up but I don&#x27;t believe it. It focusses to much on capacity factor, which is an interesting easy measure. But not nearly as important as one might expect. The key measure is actually dispatch-ability. i.e. how quick can you turn it on and off again. In markets with energy trading this is key for profitability.<p>The CSP plants with molten salt storage do really well on the market because they can turn on and off as fast as gas peaker plants. (For as long as they have storage of course). They will off course have a low capacity utilisation as they are peakers in all but name (aimed at daily evening peak load).<p>Nuclear has a high capacity factor, not because they are base load. But because once they are on they are on. And being on they will sell all they produce for as long as possible. Driving all other producers of the market. i.e. in the current market with 20% nuclear in the US they are rarely forced off the grid because demand is always greater than what they can supply. Once we hit 50% peak load supply by nuclear this high capacity factor will drop. For the simple fact that while a Nuclear power plant can produce, no one is buying.<p>So for a whole system using just nuclear capacity factor will be around 60% not 90% due to market realities on the supply side.<p>Wind is at 40% capacity factor, not because of technical limits (one could build 90% capacity factor windmills if you where crazy, you just derate the generator but keep the same blades, e.g. put an 1mw generator in a turbine designed for 3mw and you will get your 1mw most of the time, but never capture the 3mw you could some of the time)<p>Wind power plants are repowered at the moment after 20 years, not due to limitations of the tech. But because turbines made today are so much better than those of 20 years ago. Most of these old windmills are actually resold on the second market, and its quite difficult to get enough 500kw mills at a good price. Also upto 2&#x2F;3 of the value of a wind mill is in its steel tower, value that exists in 20 years as much as it does today (little rust and easy to recycle)<p>He also takes 2.5mw turbines from GE as an example but those are rather small these days. They are heading into the 8mw territory today and we will see 12MW plus mills in the coming years.<p>Critically, looking at it on an economic perspective. Once you start building a wind farm, it takes 18 days to build on site a turbine, from base to grid connection. That means you know if its going to work in a month. This leads to easy financing compared to nuclear, where the average best case build time is 4 years, which often descends into decades of building. Financing wise that is a completely different game.<p>Also wind and solar power are added at 100Mw order of magnitude to the grid in single year projects. This is better for project financing and risk management. Panel in project phase1 bad buy a different one for phase2, same for wind turbines.<p>All in all 500, 1000APs could not be build in 20 years even if we lined them up one after the other. The infra in forging and assembly is just not there, not even if we went all in on it.<p>Wind and solar can be build at that scale. Because its distributed manufacturing. Best case nuclear numbers barely meet offshore wind numbers today. Wind which has manufacturing on scale benefits that nuclear does not, will reduce costs much faster than nuclear.<p>PV efficiency will go up, e.g. look at the first solar efficiency roadmap.<p>If you are buying a power plant, then you will quickly see that Nuclear is not a cheap or easy to finance option. A 1 billion windfarm not working out, you cancel midway in construction with 500 million of pain. A 4 billion nuclear power plant not working out, you are decade down stream with a 10 billion bill. 4 billion is a sum few electricity companies can gather, 500 million borrowing for 18 days during construction after which a wind farm is sold on a power purchase agreement made is much easier for many more electricity companies. Think: if you owe 1 million the bank owns you, if you owe 100 million you own the bank...<p>Nuclear should work, and if it did it would sell like cup cakes. The problem really is that these cup cakes cost as much as a trip to the moon... You might wonder why I am bringing up financing so often. In a energy market like the EU or US where there is enough current generation this is key for a plant&#x2F;farm to be build or not. Often you can only finance if you can drive an other generator off the market, by being cheaper.<p>Solar and wind benefit from the law of large numbers, nuclear does not. If a nuclear plant goes into maintenance you lose 1gw. If a turbine goes down you lose 10mw, a substation blows up you lose 100mw. A nuclear power plant transformer fire, and you lose 1gw in a minute, is a major grid issue. Design issue in your plant, 4gw offline for regulatory reasons, major grid issue.<p>Nuclear power plants are to big and to expensive, small modular nuclear could work. But no serious market players are in this field.<p>Energy storage is currently still to expensive, but even there prices are dropping utility scale power storage is not just pumped storage. (Funnily enough in the UK this was build because of the nuclear investment). Hydrogen, heat, batteries, compressed air, fly wheels are all being investigated and each has deployments in the market. Currently still rather specialised depending on local market needs, but getting closer to taking on gas peakers.
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bluthru超过 9 年前
Great points as to why nuclear isn&#x27;t our best option:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=B3nhhOitYmk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=B3nhhOitYmk</a>
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Jean-Philipe超过 9 年前
Any idea why the uranium enrichment process is not mentioned in the article? It&#x27;s quite expensive and even generates more CO2 than a modern coal based power plant in its lifetime.
skybrian超过 9 年前
I skimmed, but I think this is missing the value of the land that people won&#x27;t be able to use in case of an accident. A semi-permanent mass evacuation isn&#x27;t cheap.
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roflchoppa超过 9 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=rOgS8gTATv8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=rOgS8gTATv8</a><p>Nuclear Energy is the cleanest energy
bigbugbag超过 9 年前
Well once again an article that fails to address that the energy production issue could be addressed with controlling our energy wants instead of mindlessly using more and more combined with local self-production instead of centralized giant production plants and transportation.<p>Let&#x27;s not forget that nuclear plants are basically huge and optimized steam dynamos and that a breakthrough in producing electricity would be a game changer.
michaelpinto超过 9 年前
Every form of energy generation has positive and negative points, to claim that one is the best is oversimplification. In fact when I met people who worked for that industry their argument to me was that no single source of energy generation could meet full demand. To me the real prize in the energy game is efficiency, and there&#x27;s quite a bit of wasted energy if you look around.
moonbug超过 9 年前
For a rather more sober -- not to say sobering -- assessment of the state of the nuclear industry, I do recommend the annual World Nuclear Industry Status Reports<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.worldnuclearreport.org&#x2F;IMG&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;20151023MSC-WNISR2015-V4-LR.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.worldnuclearreport.org&#x2F;IMG&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;20151023MSC-WNISR2...</a>
blazespin超过 9 年前
The article neglects to mention the insurance costs of running a nuclear power plant versus the insurance costs of running solar &#x2F; wind. It&#x27;s nice to just hand wave away insurance, except when you discover that only nation states have the ability to insure these things.
lutorm超过 9 年前
I find the argument about area needed spurious. By using the same point, I could claim that there is no way automobiles will succeed in society, because of the enormous area that would need to get paved... except that doesn&#x27;t seem to have stopped us.
garyclarke27超过 9 年前
1 cm3 of water weighs a lot more than 1 gram ?? From a quick skim through, many of his calcs seem to be based on this i.e. major error.
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kgarten超过 9 年前
I wonder why hacker news is so positive on nuclear power. The article is full of false information or misguided information. I always recommend &quot;Into Eternity&quot; to understand why nuclear is one of the worst options for eternity ;) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Into_Eternity_(film)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Into_Eternity_(film)</a>
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DaniFong超过 9 年前
The numbers here are off by about two orders of magnitude on the cost of pumped hydro storage.
blazespin超过 9 年前
&quot;I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.&quot;
yk超过 9 年前
So nuclear is cheaper if one takes the numbers from the industry for cost, while ignoring the problem of spend fuel. And ignoring the actual main cost of nuclear power, which empirically is the property damage in Pripyat and Fukushima.
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stock超过 9 年前
Solar PV is less than 3 cents and nuclear is at least 15 cents.<p>A nuclear meltdown is called a &quot;sacrifice zone&quot; and a solar meltdown is called a sunny day.<p>Make me proud, go solar!
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blumkvist超过 9 年前
Nuclear energy is very expensive when adjusted for building the plant. Companies building those plants know this and their usual tactic is to severely underbudget, knowing that a government cannot refuse to pay because it is committed. The Olkiluoto plant in Finland was estimated at €3bn before start and at the most recent revision the estimation was €9bn with a 10 year delay. The plant is not yet operational and I expect there will be even further delays. Don&#x27;t drink the nuclear cool aid.
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ebbv超过 9 年前
This article is pretty terrible. The bias is just ridiculous. When discussing wind and solar the author constantly makes assumptions that favor worst cases, and makes questionable comparisons. For example; stating that &quot;more Americans&quot; died from installing rooftop solar than have died from construction or use of nuclear power, cherry picking the most dangerous possible activity related to solar power (some guy up on his roof, which is a dangerous activity with or without solar panels) to the least dangerous thing about nuclear energy (professional contractors constructing the plants and the plants running normally.)<p>He cites figures when they will be favorable for nuclear or impressive for the point he&#x27;s making, and leaves them out when they would undermine it. He cherry picks American nuclear experience in the examples above because we have so far avoided truly terrible disaster here with regards to nuclear energy. (Three Mile Island wasn&#x27;t good but it wasn&#x27;t Chernobyl or Fukushima.)<p>He also cites figures for the amount of space needed for solar and wind to replace all current forms of power without sources. Never mind the fact that actually replacing all of our power with renewables is something that will take a century or more, nobody&#x27;s talking about completely replacing our entire power generation system in the next few decades with renewables or nuclear.<p>The real question is not &quot;what can replace our whole system today.&quot; because the answer to that is nothing. The real question is, as we expand and replace generators that are being decommissioned, what should they be replaced with?<p>The concerns there people have about nuclear are not about whether it&#x27;s more cost effective than renewables (if all we cared about was cost we&#x27;d keep burning coal, we know we can&#x27;t do that), or whether it&#x27;s safer to build, but what is the long term effect and what are the long term dangers. The long term dangers of a solar farm are basically nothing. You cannot get a Fukushima like disaster out of a solar plant.<p>The pro-nuclear side will tell you &quot;Oh the new reactors are totally safe, you could never have a problem like that.&quot; But they&#x27;ve always said that about nuclear plants. &quot;Oh this new design is safe.&quot; Then a disaster happens and they say &quot;Oh well that was the old design, the new design is safe.&quot;
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mtgx超过 9 年前
It seems to me that the recent few articles on fusion have inspired a lot of people - who now seem to be thinking &quot;hey you know what would be great? If we moved back to <i>fission</i> reactors!&quot;<p>I&#x27;m not talking about people writing these articles. I&#x27;m sure there&#x27;s one appearing on the Web every week. I&#x27;m talking about people who are suddenly upvoting these articles.<p>But to me that doesn&#x27;t make any sense. Fusion, I get. It&#x27;s something like 10x more efficient than fission, and it&#x27;s not radioactive or as dangerous as fission. But just because I support having more companies and research into fusion, <i>does not</i> mean that I would support fission reactors.<p>Despite this article, solar power is still the most <i>practical</i> way of getting renewable energy in the next 20 years. Thinking about building new fission reactors is like getting excited about some &quot;breakthrough gas-powered engine that uses 50% less fuel&quot;, when everyone is already thinking about getting an EV for their next car.
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sea2summit超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m really tired of all the internet kids plugging nuclear. The numbers don&#x27;t work, and the cost of failure is huge. We can put solar on everyone&#x27;s roof and turbines in windy areas and it&#x27;s completely safe, dumb nuts simple, and decentralized. Nuclear energy is dead. Let it go.
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wnevets超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m not willing to live next to a reactor and I&#x27;m not willing to force someone else to. If people really think nuclear is the best option put your money where your mouth is and raise your family next to one.
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