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VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

1368 点作者 etix超过 9 年前

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iamthepieman超过 9 年前
I work with a Muslim and I&#x27;m a Christian. Since we are both very conservative, I actually have more in common with him than with my secular coworkers and friends. Unfortunately we both work remotely and live several hundred miles from each other. I think we could be good friends if we lived closer.<p>One thing I have learned talking with my Muslim coworker is that, just like in Christianity, there are many divisions and sects within the religion. I am Atlantean and go to an Atlantean church. I would not want to be called a Phoenician or Liliputian christian (made up names cause I don&#x27;t want to offend anyone this early in the morning).<p>Just as with anything else, the closer and more involved you are with something the more you see distinctions between different categories of that thing. As a total outsider your categories tend to be large, all encompassing and dominated by the loudest, most visible or most discussed sub category. For most westerners I think that sub category is, unfortunately radicalised Muslims.<p>I&#x27;m fortunate that my coworker has given me a different perspective. I never believed all Muslims were radicalised but the true revelation for me was that my Muslim coworker was more like me than most non-muslims. It saddens me to see states in my country rejecting refugees from Syria. They are depriving their residents of potential friends and coworkers, potential spouses, neighbors or playmates that can give them a new perspective and help make their world a little larger and more interesting.<p>Edit: I&#x27;d love to have a discussion with anyone who disagrees with me. (Not really making an argument but whatever) if you&#x27;re down voting at least make a comment please.
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omginternets超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m living in Paris. I heard gunfire from my apartment. My heart goes out to Salah-Eddin, and all people living in the shadow of unspeakable abominations. It saddens me to imagine that simply hearing gunfire in the distance is nothing compared to what my fellow man has witnessed elsewhere.<p>Salah-Eddin&#x27;s condolences mean a lot to me and I wish him all the best. It&#x27;s my sincerest hope that French troops will be deployed to Syria in the near future, and that such an action will prove useful in protecting him, his family, his neighbors and his culture.<p>For what it&#x27;s worth, I&#x27;ve submitted an application to be a reservist in the French army. It&#x27;s one month of training and 30 days of active duty per year. I sincerely hope my small effort will be helpful not only because it puts another man in the Parisian battlefield (yes... that&#x27;s sadly what it has become), but also because it allows a better-qualified soldier to (hopefully) deploy to the Middle East.<p>I don&#x27;t presume to know whether or not my action is helpful, but I sincerely hope it is. I&#x27;m already quite busy with my dissertation defense coming up in a few short months, but this can do, so I will.<p>I suppose I needed to get that off my chest as well...
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jacquesm超过 9 年前
&gt; They control large areas of land, have their own oil fields, and receive direct support from many countries in the region. Namely from rich oil-producing countries.<p>That&#x27;s one of those things where we could make a fairly immediate change in policy, it would come at a cost, definitely but it would change the situation for IS for the worse far more effectively than any number of bombs dropped would do.
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StavrosK超过 9 年前
Isn&#x27;t it sad that this has to be said at all? &quot;Hey, not every adherent of a religion supports killing innocent people of a different religion&quot;. It&#x27;d be like us having to apologize for the Crusades.<p>Besides, the hits were driven by politics, religion is just a facade.
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MrPatan超过 9 年前
Religion is a smoke screen. Does it matter if you chop bits off your kids &quot;because a book told me to&quot; or &quot;because my mom told me to&quot;? All religions are silly ridiculous relics. Let&#x27;s stop talking about them.<p>The problem is the culture as a whole. Does it work? Or does it not work?<p>The way to know if a culture works is to look at migration patterns. People leave cultures that don&#x27;t work and go to better cultures.<p>But people from shitty cultures are still people, so this obvious enormous fact goes completely unnoticed. They are not going to accept so easily that their culture is not good. It takes generations.<p>Or it _took_ generations. Now it may not happen at all, because some people pride themselves on respecting and _preserving_ other people&#x27;s silly cultures, instead of just respecting the people.
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amake超过 9 年前
&gt; we are against their so called Islamic state, and against their retarded, barbaric version of Islam.<p>The problem with irrational belief systems is that you have no rational basis for calling one version legit and one version &quot;barbaric&quot;. Who&#x27;s to say your interpretation is correct? Maybe theirs is.<p>Better to recognize irrational beliefs for what they are and discard them entirely (to the degree that&#x27;s possible).
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Steve44超过 9 年前
Reading that brought a tear to my eyes, he and many others live with this on a daily basis. The subject is long and complex and I think his sentence &quot;This is a war of civilisations and way of life. and trust me. the peaceful one, the one that always say sorry for everything is not going to win.&quot; is striking in its truth, simplicity and horror.<p>Stay safe Salah-Eddin and thank you for your words.
prodmerc超过 9 年前
With the immigration crisis and the Paris attacks, it seems that people completely forgot the atrocities that these nutjobs commit in their own home countries.<p>Perhaps it doesn&#x27;t really matter to most westerners, but we shouldn&#x27;t blame a billion people for the insanity of a small part of them.<p>It&#x27;s a crazy situation, for sure...
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justboxing超过 9 年前
Gaeme Wood over at the Atlantic has a riveting piece on &quot;What ISIS really wants&quot;. Best long form investigative journalism I&#x27;ve read in nearly a decade. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2015&#x2F;03&#x2F;what-isis-really-wants&#x2F;384980&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2015&#x2F;03&#x2F;what-isi...</a><p>(Warning: It&#x27;s really long, but answers a whole lot of questions that a whole lot of westerners, outsiders have about that group, the region, their funding, recruiting, idealogy and why they still haven&#x27;t been defeated. Well worth a read.)
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msoad超过 9 年前
I born Muslim but quit religion as soon as I understood how everything works. I&#x27;m against every single organized religion. It&#x27;s just a device for dictatorship in my opinion. But Islam is just like Christianity and other religions you might know. It&#x27;s a old school of thought with super vague sources. Anyone can have their own take. I can read the Bible and say according to it I should kill and rape, same for Quran. They are all the same and they are all stupid. Don&#x27;t discriminate between stupid religions!
carlosrg超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m not sure if he&#x27;s going to read this, but anyway: be strong. I think Western countries have finally understood that Daesh is a problem that can&#x27;t be &quot;contained&quot;, that the only way is to completely eradicate them, even if this means collaborating with governments that they don&#x27;t like. This won&#x27;t make terrorism disappear of course, but at least a lot of evil people, the same people trying to seduce young and naive muslims all around the world to join them, will cease to exist.
Wintamute超过 9 年前
This is why the response you often hear from some quarters: &quot;these attacks have nothing to do with religion&#x2F;Islam&quot; is so objectionable. It silences all of the majority, ordinary, moderate Muslims that wish to reform their religion.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;MaajidNawaz&#x2F;status&#x2F;666305480369831936" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;MaajidNawaz&#x2F;status&#x2F;666305480369831936</a>
Grue3超过 9 年前
Isn&#x27;t current Syrian government also guilty of perpetrating acts of genocide against its own populace? This person is quick to denounce the other side, but Assad&#x27;s forces have killed thousands of civilians as well. [1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_massacres_in_Syria" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_massacres_in_Syria</a>
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downandout超过 9 年前
I simply do not understand why we don&#x27;t bomb every last one of the oil wells they control. We could issue arrest warrants for the heads of every company that buys their oil for providing material support to terrorists, and freeze all assets of these companies in any country where the US has treaties that allow it. We don&#x27;t have to shoot them; we can starve them.
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tim333超过 9 年前
An interesting video summary of the history of the Syria war&#x2F;mess (5 mins). You don&#x27;t know who to blame really. It&#x27;s a shame both Russia and Turkey said they were sending bombers to attack ISIS and then went after other targets instead (the anti Assad forces, Kurds respectively).<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vox.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;11&#x2F;14&#x2F;9735102&#x2F;syria-isis-history-video" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vox.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;11&#x2F;14&#x2F;9735102&#x2F;syria-isis-history-vid...</a>
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ausjke超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m agnostic so really no prejudice on either side. I see so many religions&#x2F;gods on earth and I feel Muslim is the one that stays with their stone age laws&#x2F;rules without updating&#x2F;revising the original released versions. Other religions seem evolving over time, but Muslim is different and I feel they are just so out, thus all these tragedies. Anything that has no ability to upgrade&#x2F;evolve overtime is doomed to be losers, and losers will go crazy easily to blame others for their own failures.<p>Democracy or staying-politically-correct or show-mercy-to-the-murder are all useless to combat this level of violence, the only way to really fix it, is either they evolve and modernize quickly, or get erased by a war at a large scale. It seems more likely the latter will be the case as they&#x27;re turning everyone against them quickly.<p>There are no good Muslim or bad Muslim, Muslim itself indeed is the root cause here.
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pomfia超过 9 年前
I am not advocating blissful ignorance or anything, but I&#x27;d be really bothered if religious and political talk become commonplace here. I mean we are inundated with apologies, cynicism and hyperbole from facebook&#x2F;twitter&#x2F;reddit already.<p>I will add something though. Why the apologies? The people apologizing have nothing to do with these acts and are pointless. Plus, why did all these barbarians start all this crap so recently ? Like after the 90&#x27;s ?
kushti超过 9 年前
It is time to stop terrorist states: ISIS, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and USA.
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alvarosm超过 9 年前
It never ceases to amaze me to what lengths people go to stay in the land they&#x27;re attached to. I&#x27;d have fled my country a very long time ago if I had ISIS that close.
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cs702超过 9 年前
By writing that message, he&#x27;s making himself a potential target of terror, especially now that this is on the front page of HN and could be picked up by mainstream media. For safety&#x27;s sake, I hope he contributes to VLC under a pseudonym and not under his real name.
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awjr超过 9 年前
So we need to drop a metaphorical bomb on the financial institutions that support these regimes?
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chappi42超过 9 年前
Wow, how brave he is. Once a long time a go I was in Aleppo. Such a nice town. Terrible how much destruction has happened.<p>&#x27;Normal countries&#x27; should help. I.e. fight a war against ISIS, kill them and rebuild Syria. Including new government (under UN stewardship).
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wangii超过 9 年前
the thing I never understand: why God&#x2F;Allah even care if I believe in him or not?
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crishoj超过 9 年前
&gt; [They] receive direct support from many countries in the region. Namely from rich oil-producing countries.<p>I assume the author is alluding to Saudi Arabia here.<p>How absurd is it not of the West to<p>* on one hand is claim to oppose Islamic terrorism, while<p>* on the other hand having among the closest allies in the region what probably amounts to the most radical, fundamentalist, human-rights abusing and not the least culturally and religiously influential states there, preaching religious intolerance to a world-wide audience of susceptible followers.<p>Recently, Nicholas Nassim Taleb, author of Black Swan, wrote[1] a thoughtful commentary on the situation:<p>&gt; Since 2001 our policy for fighting Islamic terrorists has been, to put it politely, missing the elephant in the room, sort of like treating symptoms and completely missing the disease.<p>&gt; Policymakers and slow-thinking bureaucrats stupidly let terrorism grow by ignoring the roots. So we lost a generation: Someone who went to grammar school in Saudi Arabia (our “ally”) after September 11 is now an adult, indoctrinated into believing and supporting Salafi violence, hence encouraged to finance it — while we got distracted by the use of complicated weapons and machinery.<p>&gt; Even worse, the Wahhabis have accelerated their brainwashing of East and West Asians with their madrassas, thanks to high oil revenues.<p>&gt; * * *<p>&gt; So instead of invading Iraq, blowing up Jihadi John and individual terrorists, thus causing a multiplication of these agents, it would have been be easier to focus on the source of all problems: the Wahhabi&#x2F;Salafi education and the promotion of intolerance by which a Shiite or a Yazidi or a Christian are deviant people.<p>&gt; If we absolutely need to put people in Guantanamo, it would be far more effective to ship the Salafi preachers and Wahhabi clerics over there, not just the people swayed by their teaching. And if we need to correct the profound Saudi problem, we need to start by sending to them our preachers, educating them into tolerance, explaining the very concept of the separation of church and state. Or, better even, encourage Muslim preachers who promote religious tolerance (“laka dinak wa li dini“) — instead of seeing them ostracized.<p>&gt; And if you find violence unavoidable, it should be directed at the Saudi and Qatari funders of violence, as well as the Salafi theorists, rather than the young performers.<p>&gt; P.S. Beware the usual ISIL crypto-sympathizer who sort of “explains” (that is, justifies) what happened (the intentional targeting of civilians) with some other Western event that can hark all the way to the Crusades… Otherwise it is presented as “biased.” You can spot such people from a mile away. For them, you cannot condemn ISIL without at the same time trying to be “balanced.” Who are they fooling? This is the technique of bundling together problems that should be treated independently, and you need to learn to deal with such people by forcing them to discuss the problem of ISIL on its own.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.eu&#x2F;article&#x2F;the-saudi-wahhabis-are-the-real-foe-islamic-terrorists-salafi-violence&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.eu&#x2F;article&#x2F;the-saudi-wahhabis-are-the-re...</a><p>(edited for formatting)
ps4fanboy超过 9 年前
<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.skepticsannotatedbible.com&#x2F;quran&#x2F;int&#x2F;long.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.skepticsannotatedbible.com&#x2F;quran&#x2F;int&#x2F;long.html</a><p>I am not sure how valid these translations are, but there seem to be a lot of incendiary passages in the Quran, how do we reconcile these view points with modern society.<p>I also understand that old testament (I am not christian) is just as bad but I was under assumption that the old testament was a carry over from Christianities Jewish roots, and the new testament supersedes it?
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galfarragem超过 9 年前
The mistake, maybe an historical one, is that Europe, or better, the media insist in treating the symptoms instead of treating the causes.
yeonJune超过 9 年前
It really makes us angry, but we should also know there are good Muslims who hope for the world of peace.
nononononono超过 9 年前
&quot;It&#x27;s only through God&#x27;s mercy that we are not under their rule now.&quot;<p>Great way of robbing the people who put their lives to save you of their contribution.<p>Thanking god for a series of events is nothing more than ignoring reality. A series of events happened, and that&#x27;s that.
mtw超过 9 年前
Is it possible to donate to a specific VLC contributor?
NicoJuicy超过 9 年前
This text could be kinda direct, but it&#x27;s what i think could help to get a &quot;solution&quot; or more efficient approach to eliminate IS.<p>- Bomb the oil fields, forget about politics&#x2F;economics , don&#x27;t let IS grow. Just take away their primary income so they&#x27;ll internally bleed out... The people who come from Europe woudn&#x27;t like it there if they don&#x27;t receive any money.<p>- Track down the big import behaviour of Western Products ( Red Bull, Nutella, Hummers, ... ) that IS terrorists love. Elimnate the import of it. They don&#x27;t want Western products, no problem. Cut them off the economy and black market as quick as possible.<p>- Make it illegal to buy black market oil from IS, track down people who want to have some quick money.<p>- Invest in rebels that attack IS on the ground ( some people from France and the UK voluntarely go there)<p>- If there is any proof of Middle East supports IS. Then take economic sanctions. Work together with Russia, America, Europe and China. Invest in oil alternatives FAST<p>- Put a website online www.worldagainstterrorisme.com where there are a couple of big sections:<p>- SnitchTerrrorists, to report abnormal behaviour. Make it so that you can see which ethicity&#x2F;religion has reported them. So people would realize that muslims don&#x27;t support extremist behaviour<p>- LiveTarget, witch the cooperation of America, an online live sattelite map that limits to Syria and the part that IS controls. Limit the visibility of known friendly groups ( eg. masking &#x2F; using older images when a friendly plane crosses the land). So people in the world can unite and track down extremist behaviour in the IS country. Make it easy to report suspicious behaviour and you can bomb the hell out of them as soon as they get out of their building with the help of the community.<p>- The media should make fun with IS instead of addressing them as the big enemy. Make fun with the people who go there, target them as dumb ( if they had bad grades, ...) and change the public perspective for people who are compelled to go there because they hate where they live &#x2F; feel discriminated because of social community problems<p>- I have another idea, but that is morely to protect western nations. That should be hidden from public eye ;) - contact me if you would like to know :P<p>Edit: If you&#x27;re down voting at least make a comment please, Eg. how you think states&#x2F;nations can handle it &quot;better&quot;<p>My proposition are for the following intentions: less generalisation and less racisme ( not every muslim is IS! ), more public effort to help ( snitching extremists, finding IS members in their home country, ...), lessen the media appeal of IS for people with non-western feelings - living in Europe because of social problems in a country &#x2F; community &#x2F; city, ...
yeonJune超过 9 年前
It makes me sad that all I can do is just praying for Paris.
finnjohnsen2超过 9 年前
Powerful stuff.
joelgarciajr84超过 9 年前
I think we are tech people, whe should do something!
zanethomas超过 9 年前
i hope he has security
enesunal超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m Muslim and the problem is not about Islam. Problem is all about the people who want to gain money for themselves. I know a truth that makes sense anytime I remember; everything is related to money or sex in this world. Nothing else matters. Religion is just a tool to manage the money.
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