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Student Debt in America: Lend with a Smile, Collect with a Fist

50 点作者 kanamekun超过 9 年前

13 条评论

epicureanideal超过 9 年前
The person in the terrible situation in the article doesn&#x27;t blame anyone but herself for the situation. I agree with the article that while she&#x27;s mostly responsible for the situation, the lenders should consider risk at some point. I don&#x27;t agree that we should forgive all of such huge debts because the money was received and spent, although perhaps we should write off some part of it as bad policy.<p>Obviously the policy for undergraduate education makes a lot of sense. Don&#x27;t consider risk because everyone as a policy decision is guaranteed a chance to climb the ladder of opportunity. But after completion of a Bachelors degree the lender should be able to take into account grades and ability to repay given expected outcomes.
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seansmccullough超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m sorry, but it was completely irresponsible for her to rack up 400k in student debt in the first place.
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outside1234超过 9 年前
This is a great example of why federal loans, while they appear to &quot;help people up&quot;, are horrible policy.<p>They 1) make tuition unaffordable (even for those who aren&#x27;t taking on debt), and 2) enslave those that do take on the debt.<p>We should cancel the program en mass.
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johnnyb9超过 9 年前
Every time she came across adversity, the answer was &quot;get more higher education&quot;. Suzie Orman (love her or hate her) always yells at people on her show whenever they talk about &quot;going back to school&quot; as a way out of their financial ruin.
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reverend_gonzo超过 9 年前
The part that sticks out to me is:<p><i>Ms. Kelley has one possible escape route: a federal loan forgiveness program that caps her payments as a percentage of her income and erases her debts if she logs 10 years of service in the public or nonprofit sector. (For today’s students, income-based repayment systems are helping lift the burden of debt.) But that would still mean a decade of what she describes as “futile” payments that won’t even cover her monthly interest expenses, leaving nothing to put away for retirement.</i><p>She didn&#x27;t pay a single dime towards her loans in 25 years. Furthermore, she voluntarily cashed out her retirement fund, which would have been 100% protected against creditors.<p>Working for 10 years in the public sector in order to forgive her debt is not futile. That would be the one intelligent thing she could do in the 25 years of pure stupidity. She doesn&#x27;t deserve a retirement, especially when she&#x27;s done everything possible to not have one at all.<p>Yes, she doesn&#x27;t claim that it&#x27;s anyone else&#x27;s fault, yet at the same time, she doesn&#x27;t really seem to understand that all of her actions have serious consequences, and the actions she still makes also have consequences. She seems to think that when she reaches retirement age, she should be able to retire, just like that, even though she has actively jeopardized it in the past 25 years.<p>If she&#x27;s not willing to pay a portion of her debt because its &quot;futile&quot;, the best she can hope for is that her kids do well and take care of her ... or leave the country.
Shivetya超过 9 年前
I am so glad she does not blame others for her excessive borrowing. I still think the government taking over the student loan program was the worst decision ever. This article emphasizes why, government agencies tend to not operate with any sense a business would and therefor make terrible decisions for themselves and those they serve.<p>the way out would be a government program similar to HARP, let them finance to a new low rate, remove penalty amounts, and start paying it back. Perhaps teaching at low income high need systems to earn credits as well. I have little issue with funding a college education provided it is needed by society and there is a defined service payback. However hers is just lots of bad mistakes compounded by a undisciplined government agency.<p>Amazing that the loan agencies cannot cut deals like they can do with people with huge tax loads.
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marincounty超过 9 年前
I&#x27;ve heard some comments like, &quot;She should move to another country.&quot; Don&#x27;t do this.<p>Yes, lenders will harass you. Yes, they might sue you.<p>If you are in debt, and can&#x27;t pay back--first send a registered letter to the collection agency stating you do not want to be contacted again about the debt.<p>If worse comes to worse, and they get a judgement against you; don&#x27;t panic. You have rights. They cannot clean out you bank account. They cannot take you entire paycheck. (with a little accounting magic, you could make a fair amount of money, and they still wont be able to attach you pay check.) You are allowed to keep possessions, but make sure you read what you are allowed to keep. Hell, you are even allowed to keep heirlooms up to a certain value.<p>My point is yes they want your money. Be smart? Don&#x27;t panic. You can still have a full life. Try to make your self Judgement Proof.<p>I&#x27;ve never said this, but if you are a recent graduate, and have student loans, and have a sneaky feeling you won&#x27;t be able to pay off the student loans; maybe read on. Really try to keep your credit clean. Get that first job--apply for unsecured credit. Don&#x27;t lie on the applications. If you can swing it, use credit cards to pay off your student loans.<p>Yes, use CC to pay off your student loans. Do it right. Make sure you have enough unsecured credit to pay off the student loans.<p>Wait a few months. Declare a chapter 7 bankruptcy.<p>It&#x27;s not an easy maneuver, but as far as I know it&#x27;s legal, but run it by an attorney. If it works--great! Try to keep abreast of federal bankruptcy laws, and changes. It seems like with every Republican administration lobbyists try their best to make declaring bankruptcy more difficult. I foresee a Republican administration in our near future? In doing any legal research--I found findlaw to be a horrid legal site. Too many wannabe attorneys.<p>What ever you do don&#x27;t do anything rash--like leave the country, or even think about suicide. Yes, there are people who have killed them-self&#x27;s because they don&#x27;t know they have basic debtor rights. Being in debt is not the end of the world.
JDiculous超过 9 年前
A lot of the comments on here are bashing her for being fiscally irresponsible - which even she is not disputing - but the real atrocity here is the system. The government is effectively driving up tuition prices while imposing a life tax on children of the middle class and the poor in the form of student debt that cannot be discharged even in bankruptcy.<p>Of course since our Congress doesn&#x27;t really give a shit because they&#x27;re mostly millionaires, the only &quot;reform&quot; they talk about is lowering interest rates and expanding income based repayment programs - none of which address the crux of the problem.<p>I&#x27;m glad that students are finally realizing that they&#x27;re getting royally fucked in the ass here, and that given our current legislative environment, absolutely nothing will be done until students across the nations collectively default on their loans. Luckily I think we&#x27;re going to see this happen within the next 5 years. This is just piss poor policy, and it&#x27;s a shame that more people aren&#x27;t advocating for change, and that Congress can get away with continually kicking the can down the road.
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jakejake超过 9 年前
It seems like there should be some sort of check in place for loans based on the expected income. If you&#x27;re going to be a teacher, loans should top out at $30k or some reasonable number. You can&#x27;t get a $500k loan for a $50k house. It doesn&#x27;t make sense that you should be able to get $100k loan for a career that won&#x27;t likely be able to repay. Prices for degrees should be in line with the career.<p>I&#x27;ve noticed that young students have to make these choices about loans right out of high school, but we don&#x27;t really force them to calculate their starting salary and payments until it&#x27;s time for graduation. It&#x27;s like pretend money at that point for all of us and of course we all think we&#x27;ll be the next billionaire anyway.
jlarocco超过 9 年前
After thinking about this a bit, why isn&#x27;t there a rule that once a person has graduated with student loans (or dropped out for some number of years), they have to pay back some large percentage of their loans before taking out more? At the very least make it so that additional loans can only be used for a graduate degree in a field directly related to their undergrad degree, and only within a fixed number of years.<p>This lady isn&#x27;t very bright, but at the same time it&#x27;s not very smart to keep loaning people money when they&#x27;ve repeatedly failed to pay back the money they&#x27;ve already been loaned.
heptathorp超过 9 年前
&gt; The $410,000 total shocked her.<p>This is the problem. It shouldn&#x27;t have shocked her. It takes a minute to do the math and calculate how much a debt will equal in x years if you don&#x27;t make a single payment. It&#x27;s 100% predictable.
scotty79超过 9 年前
Could she just move to another country and renounce her US citizenship?
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orky56超过 9 年前
As the article states, this individual is in the 1.8% of all debt holders with the large amount that she owes. She does not represent the majority but rather a minority that has slipped through the cracks based on the current policies.<p>The payday loan industry and consumer loans in general are under ever-growing scrutiny and some of the most recent proposals and regulations are based on ability to repay. If a lender does not do their due diligence on a potential borrower based on objective information of current&#x2F;projected income and expenses, the lender could be penalized and even lose their lending license.<p>With student loans, the ability to repay is considered a moot point since the borrower is a student and likely has no income, let alone income history. However this increased risk is met with an artificially lower interest rate (&lt;10% vs 50-200% APR), the most lax underwriting criteria &amp; acceptance rates (almost all domestic students qualify and receive), and no questions about how it will be paid off.<p>The primary externality here is that a whole industry, secondary education, has adapted to these crutches by increasing tuition, as the article states. The value provided by these institutions is arguably not increasing since it&#x27;s becoming more of a commodity than a value-add (e.g. the fact that the bachelor&#x27;s is the new diploma) and thus you could argue that adjusted for inflation post-degree salaries are not increasing. This leads to the ability to repay not improving and even getting worse.<p>The false assumption in all this is that education is an investment that yields a higher income even while adjusted for the interest on loans. The elephant in the room is the necessary segregation of students based on potential ability to repay, which is the present value of a student&#x27;s income based on their future income. The primary indicators of this are based on caliber of the institution, graduation rates as per institution&#x2F;major, desirability of their major, performance in school, necessity&#x2F;likelihood of going to graduate school, current unemployment in the industry, job growth in the industry as it relates to time of graduation and beyond, and other significant factors. By understanding this, loan products can be customized for each student in the absence of credit history to more accurately assess risk.<p>Higher risk applicants may think twice when seeing higher interest rates and ultimately may make the decision to seek a lower product by pursuing a lower risk opportunity. At the end of the day, these are very personal decisions that can only be decided by the individual. However by not pricing loans accurately, we are giving the false impression that each student&#x27;s decision after high school and&#x2F;or undergrad is similar in ability to repay with their limited resources (e.g. stress, time, money). The government owes it to their citizens to be even more responsible than the private industry. Student loans may seem like an income generating opportunity such as tax revenue but it is preying on the least educated, most vulnerable, but most promising demographic. It should be viewed like Social Security and Medicare where a certain demographic is dependent on it for livelihood rather than an afterthought.
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