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We ditched Google Analytics

490 点作者 felipebueno超过 9 年前

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eponeponepon超过 9 年前
<p><pre><code> It took us only a few weeks to write our home-brew analytics package. Nothing super fancy yet now we have an internal dashboard that shows the entire company much of what we used analytics for anyway - and with some nice integration with some of our other systems too. </code></pre> I never quite grasp how the above isn&#x27;t just a matter of intuition to anyone working in the tech sector. Google Analytics thrives on developers&#x27; laziness in my opinion.<p>And to echo other posters: SpiderOak deserve thanks. If I find myself with any need for a service like theirs, I know I&#x27;ll be looking at them.
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Veratyr超过 9 年前
Not strictly on topic so I apologise if this is unwanted but I thought I&#x27;d share my experience with SpiderOak in case anyone here was thinking of purchasing one of their plans.<p>In February SpiderOak dropped its pricing to $12&#x2F;month for 1TB of data. Having several hundred gigabytes of photos to backup I took advantage and bought a year long subscription ($129). I had access to a symmetric gigabit fibre connection so I connected, set up the SpiderOak client and started uploading.<p>However I noticed something odd. According to my Mac&#x27;s activity monitor, SpiderOak was only uploading in short bursts [0] of ~2MB&#x2F;s. I did some test uploads to other services (Google Drive, Amazon) to verify that things were fine with my connection (they were) and then contacted support (Feb 10).<p>What followed was nearly __6 months__ of &quot;support&quot;, first claiming that it might be a server side issue and moving me &quot;to a new host&quot; (Feb 17) then when that didn&#x27;t resolve my issue, they ignored me for a couple of months then handed me over to an engineer (Apr 28) who told me:<p>&quot;we may have your uploads running at the maximum speed we can offer you at the moment. Additional changes to storage network configuration will not improve the situation much. There is an overhead limitation when the client encrypts, deduplicates, and compresses the files you are uploading&quot;<p>At this point I ran a basic test (cat &#x2F;dev&#x2F;urandom | gzip -c | openssl enc -aes-256-cbc -pass pass:spideroak | pv | shasum -a 256 &gt; &#x2F;dev&#x2F;zero) that showed my laptop was easily capable of hashing and encrypting the data much faster than SpiderOak was handling it (Apr 30) after which I was simply ignored for a full month until I opened another ticket asking for a refund (Jul 9).<p>I really love the idea of secure, private storage but SpiderOak&#x27;s client is barely functional and their customer support is rather bad.<p>[0]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;XEvhIop.png" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;XEvhIop.png</a>
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buro9超过 9 年前
Why not move to push GA data server-side?<p>Trivial to set-up, immune to adblockers affecting the completeness of data, prevents the write of tracking cookies, leaves data and utility of the GA dashboard mostly complete (loss of user client capabilities and some session-based metrics).<p>This is the route I&#x27;m preferring to take (being applied this Christmas via <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pypi.python.org&#x2F;pypi&#x2F;pyga" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pypi.python.org&#x2F;pypi&#x2F;pyga</a> ).<p>One may argue that Google will still be aware of page views, but the argument presented in the article is constructed around the use of the tracking cookie and that would no longer apply.<p>I&#x27;m shifting to server-push to restore completeness, I&#x27;m presently estimating that client-side GA represents barely 25% of my page views (according to a quick analysis of server logs for a 24hr period). I&#x27;m looking to get the insight of how my site is used rather than capabilities of the client, so this works for what I want.
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oneJob超过 9 年前
How about open-sourcing your product before worrying about improving other products? SpiderOak has been &quot;investigating a number of licensing options, and do expect to make the SpiderOak client code open source in the not-distant future&quot; for a very, very long time now. It&#x27;s no trivial thing to have a closed source client for a &quot;zero knowledge&quot; service.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;spideroak.com&#x2F;faq&#x2F;why-isnt-spideroak-open-source-yet-when-will-it-be" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;spideroak.com&#x2F;faq&#x2F;why-isnt-spideroak-open-source-yet...</a><p>EDIT: I&#x27;d welcome discussion, in addition to your up&#x2F;down votes
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cm2187超过 9 年前
The other thing is that google analytics is on many adblockers lists, precisely for that reason. As adblockers are getting widespread, the analytics is going blind.
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nateberkopec超过 9 年前
An open-source, self-hostable solution providing 80% of common Google Analytics functionality seems doable to me.<p>Is there anything out there in this realm? If not, why not?
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trebor超过 9 年前
To any of the SpiderOak team: thank you.<p>It&#x27;s more than just the tracking cookie, though. It&#x27;s also about Google aggregating all its website data into a unified profile. The data they have on everyone is frightening—all because of free services like GA.
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c0achmcguirk超过 9 年前
Spideroak user here. I stopped using Dropbox and started using Spideroak about a 18 months ago. I really like the product. It&#x27;s not as good as Dropbox in some ways (like automatically syncing photos from my phone) but it really is easy to use. I still have a mobile client on Android and I can keep my files in sync across multiple computers. I pay for the larger storage size and I&#x27;m not even close to using it all.<p>It syncs fast too. Just thought I&#x27;d share my experience with people.
eljimmy超过 9 年前
Is it just me or is this a click-bait title with hollow content?
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lukeqsee超过 9 年前
&gt; Like lots of other companies with high traffic websites, we are a technology company; one with a deep team of software developer expertise. It took us only a few weeks to write our home-brew analytics package.<p>I&#x27;m a little curious why they decided to go this route instead of using one of the open-source solutions. Aren&#x27;t there good solutions to this problem already?
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rogeryu超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m doing my part. I&#x27;m moving to DuckDuckGo for searching more and more. It&#x27;s a process. Google does have better results. For work I still rely on Google, for private stuff I use <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;duckduckgo.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;duckduckgo.com&#x2F;</a><p>And for the sake of ducks, I&#x27;m eating less meat as well. No more chicken - too much antibiotics, and as little meat as possible, only when it&#x27;s worth it, so great taste and good quality.
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kordless超过 9 年前
&gt; Sadly, we didn’t like the answer to that question. “Yes, by using Google Analytics, we are furthering the erosion of privacy on the web.”<p>The only thing &quot;wrong&quot; with using an analytics service to better understand your customers is that it places all knowledge of visits, including ones that wished to be private, in a centralized location. This can be useful in providing correlation data across all visitors in aggregate, such as which browser you should make sure your site supports most of the time.<p>In other words, there exists some data in aggregate that is valuable to all of us, but the cost is a loss of privacy for smaller sets of personal data.<p>If individuals don&#x27;t want certain behaviors analyzed by others, then they shouldn&#x27;t use centralized services which exist outside their realm of control. These individuals would be better off using a &quot;website&quot; that is hosted by themselves, inside their own four walls, running on their own equipment. A simple way for SpiderOak to address this is to put their website on IPFS or something similar.<p>I appreciate the fact that SpiderOak is thinking about these things. It&#x27;s important!
cpncrunch超过 9 年前
&gt;why does Google and their advertisers need to know about it I would ask<p>Google is pretty clear about this. The only reason they track you is for advertising, and there isn&#x27;t any evidence of them using the info for anything else. In fact there is a lot of evidence pointing the other way, such as their insistence on encryption data flowing between their datacenters.<p>This is Google we are talking about, not Kazakhstan, China or Russia.
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_lce0超过 9 年前
Kudos for this!!<p>it&#x27;s interesting that still there&#x27;s meta, probably leftover<p><pre><code> &lt;meta name=&quot;google-site-verification&quot; content=&quot;pPH9-SNGQ9Ne6q-h4StA3twBSknzvtP9kfEB88Qwl0w&quot;&gt; </code></pre> EDIT: wow, thanks for your answers guys!! so nice to see Cunningham&#x27;s law in action ;)
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rbinv超过 9 年前
&gt; It took us only a few weeks to write our home-brew analytics package.<p>Unfortunately, there&#x27;s no way to replicate what Google Analytics currently offers (for free!) within a couple of weeks (or even months). Not with big data sets. Yes, GA does enforce sampling if you don&#x27;t pay for GA Premium, but the free edition is still one of hell of a deal (if you don&#x27;t care about privacy).<p>If you only use Google Analytics as a hit counter, sure, you can do that yourself within a couple of minutes. The advanced features are way more complicated, though (think segmentation and custom reports).<p>This also begs the question: why not use Piwik?
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ksec超过 9 年前
To me, it is the cost that matters. Most other Analytics cost $30 - $50 &#x2F; 1 Million Pageview &#x2F; Datapoint. To me this expensive. Even when you scale to 100M it will still cost ~$20&#x2F;Million.<p>Piwik doesn&#x27;t scale. At least it doesn&#x27;t scale unless you spend lots of resources to tinker with it. Its Cloud Edition is even more expensive then GoSquared which i consider to be a much better product.<p>What we basically need is a simple, effective, and cheap enough alternative to GA. And so far there are simply none.
api超过 9 年前
Instead of rolling your own look at Piwik. It works very well and is basically a GA clone. I actually like it <i>better</i> than GA in some ways. It&#x27;s easy to set up and you can run it on your own site so you&#x27;re not contributing to a global tracking fabric.
sghiassy超过 9 年前
I don&#x27;t get it. SpiderOak states that they dropped GA because it furthers &quot;the erosion of privacy on the web.”, but then they just started tracking in house.<p>How is tracking in house more private than GA? The user is still being tracked.
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kevin_thibedeau超过 9 年前
I haven&#x27;t checked my GA in months since it became clear that Google won&#x27;t bother doing anything to fix the referer spam problem that makes the stats useless if you don&#x27;t have a high-volume site. It&#x27;s not like these abusers are hard to track down but I&#x27;ll be damned if I&#x27;m going to manually add filters to get rid of them every time they come in from a new domain.
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patrickfl超过 9 年前
For anyone here looking for a really good, free,self-hosted, hackable, open source alternative to Google Analytics that&#x27;s been around for a long time, please consider Piwik.org.<p>I&#x27;ve been using it for prob 8-10 years and it has never missed a beat. I use it on all my personal &#x2F; business sites as well as some client websites that are super high traffic.
binaryapparatus超过 9 年前
Analytics, fonts, css. We include it everywhere by default. Then I realized hey we are all giving away too much. My sites now happily run self-hosted piwik, for the last six or so months.<p>I won&#x27;t be surprised if in the coming years we hear much more about using google fonts being base to count site access, if there is no analytics in place.
justinkramp超过 9 年前
It should also be noted that SpiderOak has opensourced many components of their product stack, including Crypton, which is the encryption framework underpinning many of their clients.<p>The source is at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;SpiderOak" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;SpiderOak</a>
TheAndruu超过 9 年前
Make your custom analytics library into a separate product in its own right and sell it or open-source it!
jliptzin超过 9 年前
Usually I start with Google Analytics but continue to add to our own in-house analytics solution targeting the specific metrics we&#x27;re interested in tracking. GA often doesn&#x27;t provide us with the real insights we&#x27;re looking for, but it&#x27;s good for the vanity stats.
Something1234超过 9 年前
What about awstats or goaccess? Both are great log analyzers, although I like goacess better.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;goaccess.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;goaccess.io&#x2F;</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.awstats.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.awstats.org&#x2F;</a>
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iamleppert超过 9 年前
I&#x27;d hate to be the intern or the guy in charge of keeping that thing running.
qihqi超过 9 年前
Random fact: GA cookie is distinct from adwords(google.com) cookie, and it is illegal for Google to join those (not sure if it is even technically feasible).
rwbt超过 9 年前
I&#x27;ve had good experience with Statcounter (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.statcounter.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.statcounter.com</a>)
gramakri超过 9 年前
At Cloudron, our vision is to allow companies to host their own apps easily. We dogfood and don&#x27;t use Google. We don&#x27;t use analytics on our website (a conscious decision). Our emails are based on IMAP servers and we use thunderbird. We selfhost everything other than email (which is on gandi).<p>We just entered private beta yesterday - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cloudron.io&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2015-12-07-private-beta.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cloudron.io&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2015-12-07-private-beta.html</a>
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zachh超过 9 年前
Is there any analytics solution that allows for on-prem data storage? Only one I know of is Adobe Analytics (formerly Omniture).
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pmoriarty超过 9 年前
Now if they could also just ditch Facebook, Microsoft, and Apple, they&#x27;d be getting somewhere.
electriclove超过 9 年前
Why not just use Piwik?
sparkzilla超过 9 年前
Yet they are still listed on Google search [<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bit.ly&#x2F;1ICwud0" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bit.ly&#x2F;1ICwud0</a>]. I guess it&#x27;s easy to have principles when it doesn&#x27;t cost you money.
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gvb超过 9 年前
The irony for me is that I am mostly invisible to Google Analytics, and thus the companies that rely on GA, because I mostly browse with JavaScript disabled. (When I need JavaScript, I usually crank up an incognito instance of Chrome and close it immediately when done, so I&#x27;m mostly anonymous to GA even then.)<p>When they go &quot;old fashioned&quot; and datamine their web server logs, they uncloak me. :-&#x2F;