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Philips reverses decision to close the Hue Platform

441 点作者 alaaf超过 9 年前

18 条评论

mdip超过 9 年前
A point brought up in the replies to their forum post warrants repeating: They claim that they were concerned about the quality of their brand being eroded by third-party bulbs that didn&#x27;t reproduce the same quality experience that first-party&#x2F;certified bulbs did.<p>They had the solution available to them from day one. Since they can clearly identify third-party bulbs, they could have simply presented a warning along the lines of &quot;We&#x27;ve detected you&#x27;re using bulbs that are not certified by Philips. For best results, we recommend using only certified bulbs (link to purchase here) and cannot guarantee a quality experience with the bulbs you&#x27;ve purchased. Click &quot;OK&quot; to continue.&quot;
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mdip超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m glad to see they&#x27;ve reversed the decision. It was the only reasonable choice they had with such an immature market that could have them dethroned as the leader very quickly. Their reasons for lock-in made no sense. For a product like this <i>compatibility is a feature</i> and many people chose the Philips products because of the ecosystem of compatible products available, the ZigBee protocol and third-party light bulbs.<p>I&#x27;m sure that third-party products were causing problems, however, wholesale blocking of them via software update is a terrible solution. They, literally, turned out the lights on their customers. Meanwhile, I&#x27;d be willing to bet support costs <i>immediately</i> spiked -- people call support when things don&#x27;t work and they just pushed out a solution that <i>increased</i> rather than decreased that.<p>Unfortunately, I think they&#x27;ve bruised their reputation quite a bit with this move. It&#x27;s now delayed my purchase of such a product until I am convinced that they have a solid third-party certification program in place (with very low licensing fees) or (even better) a guarantee with the product that they won&#x27;t try this again when the market is more mature and they have the option of ignoring complaining customers.<p>Their competitors could see a rise in sales by taking advantage of this blunder and committing to open protocols. I haven&#x27;t looked at the landscape in this category, yet, and had just assumed I&#x27;d be buying the Philips Hue eventually, but they&#x27;ve motivated me to do more research.
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themartorana超过 9 年前
Wow. Most companies are deaf to user outrage. The original decision wasn&#x27;t fantastic, but I understand the whole &quot;Friends of...&quot; certification route.<p>At least in the future they&#x27;ll be able to stick to &quot;if it&#x27;s not certified by us...&quot; for customer support, which was likely the original impetus (along with a desire to cut off cheap alternatives to their devices).<p>I&#x27;m not mad at this at all.
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HarryHirsch超过 9 年前
Compare this with Ethernet. You plug it in - and it just works. No 3com&#x2F;Realtek&#x2F;Intel certification required. As a user I may be shielded, but I believe there are no interoperability issues between Cisco&#x2F;Juniper&#x2F;Brocade switchgear either.<p>With this as the background, it&#x27;s surprising to see a large crowd defending the equivalent of Ford-branded gasoline.
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DiabloD3超过 9 年前
The thing is, to me, the fact that they ever decided to do this in the first place means I will never buy Philips smart home products ever.<p>They have proven they can&#x27;t be trusted with this sort of power, and that is a one way trip. You don&#x27;t come back from that, you don&#x27;t get back off my list.
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anc84超过 9 年前
They can still control it and reverse the reversal in the future. You are at their whim. It is not user-friendly unless it is free software (and hardware). Amazon can still remotely remove books and no one bats an eye. This is just an issue because at the moment these kinds of home automation are per-dominantly &quot;nerd&quot; territory while e-book readers are already mainstream.
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sismoc超过 9 年前
I won&#x27;t be so quick to &quot;roll-back&quot; my decision to boycott their products.
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nichochar超过 9 年前
I really respect philips for having the humility to come back on a decision like this. As someone who already owns hue and has bought into the ecosystem, this makes me want to promote their brand further, and I will.<p>Hat down to whoever made this happen over there! The world is better when things are open.
ohitsdom超过 9 年前
&quot;We underestimated the impact this would have upon the small number of our customers&quot;<p>Do they really believe it is a small number of customers that use non-Philips light bulbs? I mean, good for them in reversing the decision, but the damage is already done (check out Amazon reviews for one) and it should have been easily foreseen.
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sneak超过 9 年前
The funny part is that they claim to have broken their customers&#x27; previously working functionality in good faith.<p>Who writes these things, and why do their supervisors allow them to keep working there?!?
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tomlongson超过 9 年前
I wonder if this had anything to do with the flood of negative comments to their Amazon product pages?<p>3&#x2F;5 stars: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Philips-455303-White-Starter-Generation&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B014H2OZAC&#x2F;ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1450292147&amp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=philips+hue+hub" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Philips-455303-White-Starter-Generatio...</a><p>4&#x2F;5 stars (previously 4.5&#x2F;5): <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Philips-456210-Ambiance-Starter-Generation&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B014H2P4KW&#x2F;ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1450292147&amp;sr=8-3&amp;keywords=philips+hue+hub" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Philips-456210-Ambiance-Starter-Genera...</a>
revelation超过 9 年前
Not sure why people are screaming &quot;boycott&quot;. Philips never advertised their system as being compatible with third-party lights. The fact that they use an open protocol to communicate with their own lights doesn&#x27;t change this.<p>It&#x27;s like connecting to your office chat with an IRC client because you figured out that&#x27;s what they are using under the hood. Why would you scream bloody murder when one day your IRC client stops being compatible with it? They never advertised this to begin with!<p>You can&#x27;t exactly demand functionality that you were never sold.
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gedrap超过 9 年前
A lot of the people are talking about how important integration and interoperability is. I agree with it, however, a lot of work has to be done to achieve it.<p>In order to do it properly, there should be standards that major providers agree upon making integration much easier and predictable. That takes plenty of time.<p>Then you probably need some walled garden to control the experience. Approved apps, approved 3rd party providers, etc. If some crappy app is released, regular users won&#x27;t blame the developer but the platform, as it was discussed in great details in other threads. We need to get out of the HN bubble. Seriously. We forget that a computer is a device to watch porn and browse facebook and that&#x27;s about it for A LOT of people. Chances are, it will cause a wave of anger in communities such as this one (where there&#x27;s a strong sentiment for open systems).<p>This work has to be done be a number of large providers (read: long processes) and followed by startups popping up and disappearing now and then. This stuff always takes time.
donkeyd超过 9 年前
Second large company this week to rollback a change after public outcry, with Valve rolling back a change in CS:GO. I hope their marketing people take a lesson out of this.
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vilts超过 9 年前
Sounds exactly like the FTDI FT232 &quot;serial killer&quot; saga all over again.<p>They got many people very pissed off and probably never buying or building products with their chips again.
toppy超过 9 年前
How many developers does it take to change Philips lightbulb?
Nilef超过 9 年前
Any recommendations for third-party lights?
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josscrowcroft超过 9 年前
&quot;We fucked up, but we don&#x27;t want to admit it.&quot;