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Engineers can’t gauge their own interview performance

79 点作者 leeny超过 9 年前

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shoyer超过 9 年前
I actually interpret their data quite differently. There is a statistically robust and positive correlation between perceived and actual ratings:<p>- 44% of the time, the actual and perceived ranking was identical.<p>- 91% of the time, the difference between the rankings was at most one star.<p>- Only in 9% of cases was there was a strong disagreement about how well the interview went (2 or more stars out of four).<p>- There is also a bias towards engineers thinking they did slightly worse than they actually did.<p>Even in an alternative universe where the same interview was repeated, you would not expect rankings by the same individual to be perfect. A more meaningful benchmark (though probably unattainable) would be interviewer&#x2F;interviewee consistency relative to interviewer self-consistency.
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jMyles超过 9 年前
...another reasonable conclusion from this data is that <i>interviewers</i> have difficulty judging interview performance.
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stcredzero超过 9 年前
So many of you 20-somethings interviewing really make me cringe! Basically, many of you are a stark mirror in which I can see how terrible I was as an interviewer in my 20&#x27;s and 30&#x27;s.<p>Be honest now, do you do this?<p><pre><code> 1) See something or think of something 2) Decide that it&#x27;s the most important point 3) Go on a &quot;fishing&quot; expedition to try and get the interviewee to see it 4) If the interviewee can&#x27;t figure out what you&#x27;re hinting at, decide s&#x2F;he&#x27;s completely worthless! (Or if she gets it, decide she&#x27;s the ultimate!) </code></pre> A lot of you do this. Cut it out. It&#x27;s idiotic. It presupposes a pretty arrogant view of the relative value of your own perceptions. What you really need to be doing is <i>listening.</i><p>I had the experience of someone doing this to me with concurrency, then concluding I&#x27;m an impostor, <i>while I&#x27;m telling him about 3 concurrent systems I&#x27;ve worked on.</i> The disconnect? He was &quot;fishing&quot; for the current undergrad spiel about scheduling. Sorry, we covered it, but that wasn&#x27;t emphasized in the same way when I was an undergrad, and the poorly thought out puzzle you came up with on the spot wasn&#x27;t such a great hint.<p>Given the number of times I was mis-identified as an impostor programmer during interviews (a minority of instances, but still) there is clearly something going on. You guys are just like the young Ivy league grads in Mad Men. You just have different clothes and different language, but you are looking out for the signs of your own tribe just the same.
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invalidfunction超过 9 年前
Eh - humans generally have a hard time rating things on a 5 star rating system. That&#x27;s mainly because the discrete intervals between 1 and 5 stars aren&#x27;t well defined so everyone will have a different opinion of what 3 stars &quot;mean&quot;. I encountered this when I ran a rating system in Mechanical Turk. If you ask turkers to do something arbitrary like &quot;rate the quality of this picture&quot; it takes quite a number of ratings on the same image to get an accurate consensus.<p>It would be interesting to see if you can replicate experiment but replace the 5 stars with 5 yes&#x2F;no questions regarding their performance and see if those match up
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edw519超过 9 年前
I never cared about my own &quot;interview performance&quot;.<p>But I always cared about my interviewer&#x27;s assessment of me.<p>So much so that I&#x27;ve always reserved the last 10 minutes of every interview just to find that out.<p>They almost always ask if I have any questions, but even if they don&#x27;t I ask them anyway:<p>Based on what you&#x27;ve just learned:<p><pre><code> - How well would you say I did in this interview? - How well do my skills fill your requirement? - Where do you see me in the first month? - Where do you see me in 3 years? - What&#x27;s the first thing you&#x27;d have me work on? - What gaps do you think I have? - What are your 3 biggest concerns about me? - What can I do to address those concerns? </code></pre> and of course:<p><pre><code> - What is the next step? </code></pre> I have never had an interviewer afraid to honestly (or appear to be honest) answer these questions. See how easy?
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kelukelugames超过 9 年前
Are they being nice to me because I killed it or is it because I did so poorly that they are showing pity?<p>Are they being mean because they think I wasted their time or because I killed it and they want to push me?
joeax超过 9 年前
I was once in an interview where the interviewer was a hard ass. Asking all kids of hard questions about languages I knew, then he got deeper and asked about specifics into those languages. Then started asking about really abstract stuff like different sorting algorithms, OOP concepts like polymorphism, etc. I felt I was holding my own but as the interview went on the interviewer seemed to grow more impatient and irritable. Needless to say I left the interview thinking I blew it. Two days later I got a call from the recruiter saying I was their top choice and got an offer soon after.<p>P.S. It turned out that guy was just grouchy because he had interviewed so many underwhelming candidates. He admitted he was just trying to break me.
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soham超过 9 年前
Terrific analysis, thank you! I love reading your posts.<p>I also think that the dynamics differ based on the mode of interviewing viz. Faceless (like <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;interviewing.io" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;interviewing.io</a> does) vs face-ful (like normal onsite or video interviews, or the way <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;interviewkickstart.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;interviewkickstart.com</a> does).<p>I have an observation to share for the latter kind of interviews:<p>When I was hiring at Box for one of my teams (or even now), I&#x27;d generally go towards the end, to meet the candidate and talk to them about how the day went. I&#x27;d ask them about specific interviews, the interviewers and how they think they did on the given problems.<p>I found that it was surprisingly rare to get a candidate who was aware enough of how things went (positive or otherwise).<p>Digging into it, I realized that the correlation of what the candidate perceived, was simply to how expressive the interviewER was. If the interviewer was friendly and chatty, the candidate would feel like they have done well (or at least forgivably well). If the interviewer was more silent, the candidate would feel they haven&#x27;t done very well.<p>Now that I do interview training for a living, I try and hammer this point home: that interviews are like a date. It depends a lot on the other person (in this case, the interviewer). Understanding this well often works like magic.
exelius超过 9 年前
Nobody can judge their own interview performance - engineer or not. The hard part is that you as an interviewee don&#x27;t really know what the interviewer is looking for. You may have nailed the back half of the interview, but you don&#x27;t have the one skill they&#x27;re looking for. Or sometimes you don&#x27;t blow it at all and they love you, but there&#x27;s one other person they interviewed for the position that blew them away.<p>Trying to guess how well you did in an interview is folly. Hell, one interview tactic I use with people is to push them until they break: I keep asking technical questions until I reach a point where you say &quot;I don&#x27;t know&quot;. This sometimes makes people think they &quot;failed&quot; the interview, when all I&#x27;m really trying to do is see how much you know while also seeing how much you&#x27;ll bullshit me on topics you don&#x27;t know as well. Nobody can be an expert on everything, and interviews are as much about behavioral profiling as they are subject matter expertise.
cryoshon超过 9 年前
I&#x27;ve found this with myself as well. In one of my worst-ever interviews, I had the flu really badly the entire time, and read the signals of all of my interviewers to be both negative regarding my technical chops and negative toward my weakened state. I got the job, and was very well liked. In another trainwreck of an interview where I seriously considered standing up and leaving after getting extreme negative signals, I was offered the job as well-- but I should have paid attention to the negative signals, as they were indicative of larger problems with that group.<p>In other interviews, I&#x27;ve massively overestimated my own performance, seeing positive signals everywhere and being very impressed with myself-- of course, these didn&#x27;t pull through, and my confidence was dashed. In another incidence, I did get the job offer.<p>The most confusing are the interviews in which I don&#x27;t have a strong feeling of doing well or poorly either way-- not the median case, but certainly it happens frequently enough that I&#x27;ve gotten a job where I didn&#x27;t think that I stood out. If anything, these cases are a consolation that others may see something positive that I don&#x27;t see in myself.<p>This tells me that my ability to correctly predict my interview performance is no more efficacious than random chance. I think that there are a few confounding factors which make interviewee measuring interview performance as perceived by the interviewer difficult. Interviews are a time of endless posturing, flagrant lies, propaganda, and overt deception hopefully mingled in with actual mutual interest, excitement, and good will. There are many social signals to keep track of in addition to self-monitoring to ensure the correct outcome. For people who are not the strongest socially, I think that these social signals tend to get dropped intermittently as attention shifts inward (don&#x27;t say the wrong thing) or outward (get this technical problem correct).
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vonmoltke超过 9 年前
Hopefully this gets more love than it did last time: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10739343" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10739343</a><p>I found the analysis very interesting and consistent with my personal bias (I almost always think I did worse than I actually did).
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imh超过 9 年前
&gt;And by extension, it means that in every interview cycle, some portion of interviewees are losing interest in joining your company just because they didn’t think they did well, despite the fact that they actually did.<p>I hate the assertion of causation here. As always, this relationship means that A causes B, B causes A, and&#x2F;or A and B have a common cause (or even more possibilities, given that we&#x27;re essentially conditioning on this event taking place). Aline argues that &quot;some portion of interviewees are losing interest in joining your company just because they didn’t think they did well,&quot; but I think it&#x27;s more plausible that there is something that happens in the interview that simultaneously makes the interviewer think they did poorly and makes them think poorly of the company. If you&#x27;re rating me on my ability to name country capitals in a statistics interview, I&#x27;m going to think you don&#x27;t want to hire me and I&#x27;ll think you&#x27;re an idiot I&#x27;d hate to work for. Or if you&#x27;re being kind of a jerk or being impatient and checking your cell phone every 30 seconds, I&#x27;ll think I&#x27;m doing poorly and that you&#x27;re rude and I wouldn&#x27;t like to work with you. Common cause seems much more likely to me.
lewisl9029超过 9 年前
&gt; &quot;resumes suck&quot;<p>Do they?<p>Maybe resume&#x27;s specifically do suck, but surely it&#x27;s beneficial to have at least some way to see an overview of what a candidate has accomplished in the past. Especially when you&#x27;re hiring for more senior roles where you need to place more value on experience and a proven track record than raw technical excellence. I can&#x27;t really see these &quot;anonymous&quot; interviewing platforms working well for those kinds of roles.
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lazyant超过 9 年前
So Dunning–Kruger effect (poor candidates over valuing themselves) and impostor syndrome (the opposite).
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cjrjdjcnd超过 9 年前
Nobody on HN has taken the PE or FE exams.
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