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Chinese cities use “mist cannon” to shoot pollution from the sky

115 点作者 potench超过 9 年前

14 条评论

brenschluss超过 9 年前
Say what you will about China and its pollution, it&#x27;s an interesting attempt at a solution.[1] Could you imagine something like that implemented easily in the US before caught within lawyer-string nets of liability?<p>China has many problems, but many HN readers bashing China have probably never set foot there and are formulating their understanding based off of western media and the socioeconomic + cultural dynamics of Chinese diaspora communities in the west (working in low-paying jobs, less seen as literary&#x2F;communicative thanks to language barriers).<p>I&#x27;m not Chinese nor do I have a particular stake, but I was there for three weeks this summer and was overwhelmed by a kind of social optimism - the shared assumption that services are getting better, progress will happen, and a relentless cycle of innovation (in China&#x27;s own way; see &#x27;Shanzai&#x27;).<p>All this is to say that - pollution sucks. China needs to get its shit together and pass clean air laws. But these devices are emblematic of a very Chinese mode of progress and innovation that I&#x27;m not quite describing properly.<p>[1] Yes, I know the technology is not completely new, and controlling particulates by deploying other media is common - when polishing&#x2F;concrete, for example.
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seanmcdirmid超过 9 年前
Looking out my window right now at 2am in the morning, all I see is misty fog where I would usually see a city here in Beijing. I really don&#x27;t see how more mist would help. They need a big giant freaking fan to create wind...powered by coal, of course, just for purposes of irony.
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contingencies超过 9 年前
It&#x27;s 6:30AM here in the Chinese city of Kunming. I just returned from a 5AM trip to a market to buy some herbs for Christmas dishes. On the way I passed one of our many street cleaning water-tank trucks, which basically drive around all Chinese cities spraying the road and nearby traffic with water and a fine mist (just what you want at 5AM on an e-bike in the winter morning!). While they most operate in the early mornings and are no doubt targeted at dislodging and collecting road-top detritus, they have been about for ages and are very much ubiquitous. A separate fleet of trucks drive about spraying water on roadside gardens, which in some kind of cuddly holdover from socialist central planning are in fact very numerous compared to most western cities (with the exception of the center of older French cities, perhaps). Despite the construction boom going on, it&#x27;s all Himalayan blue skies here! I pity the poor people in those polluted east-coast cities, and those in the north with their wintery outlook, and particularly those in the northeast like Beijing where not only do you have <i>both</i> problems, but the time dedicated to negotiating traffic every time you leave your house is soul-crushing...
Etheryte超过 9 年前
Doesn&#x27;t this simply remove some of the symptoms instead of working with the root cause?
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thrownaway2424超过 9 年前
It&#x27;s a real-life ATSHCME air displacement effectuator. David Foster Wallace would be so pleased.
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coldcode超过 9 年前
Wouldn&#x27;t spraying water into air with sulfur oxides just create acid rain?
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ihsw超过 9 年前
Why do the cities pay for them? Why aren&#x27;t the coal-burning energy utility companies paying for them, out of pocket?
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reuven超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m in Beijing this week. The pollution here has to be seen (and felt, as you breathe) to be believed. I&#x27;m not surprised that all sorts of technical solutions are being discussed, just because it&#x27;s so crazy terrible. Whether such proposals (such as a mist cannon) is a real solution is a good question, but it&#x27;s worth trying lots of stuff.
tokenadult超过 9 年前
It occurs to me, after reading this story a second time and reviewing the latest comments posted to this thread, that this is a science story that wasn&#x27;t reported by a science journalist. It&#x27;s not at all clear--only a company spokesman is quoted on the point--that the machine even WORKS. It&#x27;s also not at all clear, even if the machine is effective at reducing air pollution (where is the independent evidence?), that it is as good for that or as inexpensive for that as other measures that might be taken to reduce air pollution. The town I grew up in has much less air pollution today than it had when I was young. The newly industrialized countries of east Asia (I am most familiar with Taiwan, but the fact is the same in other countries in the region) have less air pollution today than they had in their worst years. There is a lot known about technology and a lot known about effective regulation for reducing air pollution. This story really needs an experienced science reporter, not a rookie in international reporting, to tell the accurate story about what&#x27;s the best thing to do to handle China&#x27;s horrific problem with air pollution.[1]<p>[1] &quot;Study Links Polluted Air in China to 1.6 Million Deaths a Year&quot; (<i>New York Times</i> 13 August 2015)<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;08&#x2F;14&#x2F;world&#x2F;asia&#x2F;study-links-polluted-air-in-china-to-1-6-million-deaths-a-year.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;08&#x2F;14&#x2F;world&#x2F;asia&#x2F;study-links-pol...</a><p>Chinese version of story: &quot;研究称中国每年有160万人死于空气污染&quot;<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cn.nytimes.com&#x2F;china&#x2F;20150814&#x2F;c14pollution&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cn.nytimes.com&#x2F;china&#x2F;20150814&#x2F;c14pollution&#x2F;</a><p>Other recent QZ articles about China, by other authors:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;qz.com&#x2F;on&#x2F;chinas-transition&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;qz.com&#x2F;on&#x2F;chinas-transition&#x2F;</a>
banjobob超过 9 年前
Reducing pollution in the air, by polluting the water.
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shanev超过 9 年前
I wonder if a bigger version of this could be built to inject a cloud of ash into the atmosphere to help mitigate climate change [1].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;david_keith_s_surprising_ideas_on_climate_change" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;david_keith_s_surprising_ideas_on_...</a>
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jkrejci超过 9 年前
Or you know, you can just like not pollute the shit out of the Earth. China is the worst.
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buro9超过 9 年前
Mist may be able to &quot;catch&quot; the visible particles and go to some length to then putting it into groundwater, but all of the dangerous stuff is in the small particulates that will remain in the air.<p>Out of sight, out of mind seems to the aim of this.
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Justin_K超过 9 年前
Excellent, they can keep polluting as long as they add more mist cannons. Maybe gross polluters can buy mist credits!