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Ask HN: Why don't cities/states create their own ride-sharing platform?

22 点作者 cheapsteak超过 9 年前
Don&#x27;t dispatch networks seem a lot like infrastructure? The main barrier doesn&#x27;t seem to be technology, but network effects, and to a lesser extent, government regulation.<p>Why don&#x27;t cities&#x2F;provinces&#x2F;states make their own?<p>Adoption wouldn&#x27;t be an issue, following government code wouldn&#x27;t be an issue, would probably bring in quite a bit of revenue.<p>Are any cities doing this already?

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venning超过 9 年前
It&#x27;s not entirely clear yet what long-term effect ridesharing will have on city traffic [1] and cities are very invested in keeping that low. Buses and trains and such keep that traffic lower, at least according to current data.<p>Of course, if ridesharing proves itself to <i>reduce</i> traffic, I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised to find cities experimenting with public-private partnerships to implement them locally. We have something very successful in DC called Capital Bikeshare that is focused largely on reducing traffic.<p>But, unlike bikesharing, if Uber and kin prove out ridesharing as valuable to DC, I cannot see what the local government would add with their own system, something that I know the DC government <i>does</i> consider. Capital Bikeshare is so successful precisely <i>because</i> the government is involved. They can convert a couple street parking spaces or a traffic intersection median into a bikeshare without asking anyone, and have done so with no real complaint.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;fivethirtyeight.com&#x2F;features&#x2F;is-uber-making-nyc-rush-hour-traffic-worse&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;fivethirtyeight.com&#x2F;features&#x2F;is-uber-making-nyc-rush-...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Capital_Bikeshare" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Capital_Bikeshare</a>
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pwman超过 9 年前
Washington DC has been doing it as long as I can remember:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Slugging" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Slugging</a><p>Basically pickup someone random so you can utilize HOV.
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edwhitesell超过 9 年前
Some do. Michigan has had it since 1974 [0]. Of course, it was a bit less dependent on technology when it started.<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.michigan.gov&#x2F;mdot&#x2F;0,1607,7-151-9615_11228_11234---,00.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.michigan.gov&#x2F;mdot&#x2F;0,1607,7-151-9615_11228_11234--...</a>
alahaitu超过 9 年前
Helsinki tried this with their Kutsuplus service, but it ended up proving too expensive and underused for being publicly funded. They are now looking for private companies to run a similar service.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;on-demand-public-transit&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;on-demand-public-transit&#x2F;</a>
BjoernKW超过 9 年前
Because they&#x27;re clueless and they&#x27;re living in the past. There are notable exceptions but for the most part this applies to public administration in general.<p>From their point of view, why should they try to find novel solutions to evident problems while they can much more easily just &quot;regulate away&quot; the potential for such solutions (for now, that is) and claim the problem doesn&#x27;t exist in the first place? Public administration is notoriously bad at both embracing change and long-term planning because its stakeholders&#x27; outlook is measured in legislative periods.
barney54超过 9 年前
City planners are enamored with building stuff. That&#x27;s why they want to build subways and light rail systems instead of bus rapid transport.<p>Building stuff is more permanent and facilitates other building--like apartment building or office building near stations.<p>With IT dispatch systems they aren&#x27;t building anything physical and aren&#x27;t affecting the built environment and all their training is about affecting the built environment.
pjc50超过 9 年前
They might yet do this, but local government tends to be terrible with IT. It&#x27;s more likely that compromises will be reached to allow Uber to operate, such as requirements for insurance or real employment contracts.
phantom_oracle超过 9 年前
Nobody has mentioned this, but possibly relevant is the issue of lawsuits:<p>If a class-action is brought against an Uber, it can be sued out of existence (think like a major case that affects their publicity and kills the business).<p>Even though a local government can become bankrupt, it doesn&#x27;t happen quite that often. It is also easier to police a small subset of bus&#x2F;train drivers and register a known subset of taxi-drivers than having to manage a work-force of in-out ride-sharing drivers.<p>Ride-sharing also doesn&#x27;t seem that efficient, as I&#x27;ve never read&#x2F;heard of an awesome&#x2F;PR+ story of Uber&#x2F;Lyft reducing the traffic congestion in New York&#x2F;London (known as congested cities).
ruraljuror超过 9 年前
When driving on the highway recently, I noticed a standard governmental sign which had a 1-800 number to call for ride sharing.<p>Your post made me think of this, so I did some quick googling of my state and the surrounding states. It seems all of them have ridesharing programs and regulations to promote ridesharing to some degree.<p>Of course these are not sophisticated technological platforms with mobile apps. Personally I was intrigued by the possibilities for user experience... what would it be like to get a ride by calling one of these phone numbers?
zurn超过 9 年前
here&#x27;s one: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;cities&#x2F;2014&#x2F;jul&#x2F;10&#x2F;helsinki-shared-public-transport-plan-car-ownership-pointless" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;cities&#x2F;2014&#x2F;jul&#x2F;10&#x2F;helsinki-share...</a>
w__m超过 9 年前
Fuel is government-taxed. More traffic jams = more fuel = more tax. Forget long-term thinking. MORE TAX. NOW.<p>I agree with @BjoernKW also.
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ericnolte超过 9 年前
Unions
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