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Bing Goes Full-On Censorship in English Search Results Within China

222 点作者 jhonovich超过 9 年前

15 条评论

joolze超过 9 年前
Same with Yahoo in the past week. I think about new years eve the search results suddenly shifted to what they should look like using a Chinese only training set.<p>Results were all Xinhua and such, wikipedia, imdb, etc are no longer results numbers 1, 2, 3 anymore instead seeing a lot of qq, baidu, xiami etc results for song lyrics, movies, etc.<p>But it seems to be closer to normal today.<p>The normal internet speed has been maybe halved or thirded since about the week before Christmas, VPNs are all sketchy, there seems to be a regular interval when all connection is cut for a short time. You see pings oscillate between 40 and 400 ms quite regularly.<p>Chinese domains are always rock solid though. Can stream music off qq or xiami or stream youku without issue for extended periods of time when ycombinator, bbc news, etc are down. Yahoo and Bing stay up when most western sites are down.<p>However haven&#x27;t been seeing as much total blockage as usual when they kick up the security. Lots of social sites that usually go black for a week or two are up just fine.
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yzh超过 9 年前
I cannot believe after all these years China is still banning the whole site instead of using some keyword or content-based method. Not that those methods are right, but at least it would save a lot of programmers and researchers time. How can people make progress on anything related to scientific research without the help of Wikipedia? seven years ago I was a college student in China and I sure remembered how I have to set up VPN to check on wikipedia pages for my thesis. And needless to say, the school doesn&#x27;t have the up-to-date paper collection from either IEEE or ACM. I have to directly visit the author&#x27;s sites. I really wish the government could realize how harmful this is to innovation...
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blisterpeanuts超过 9 年前
This would be a powerful argument against turning over ICANN&#x27;s responsibilities to an international agency (i.e. an agency dominated by authoritarian governments like China). I hope the EFF and other advocates of a free, borderless Internet will take notice.<p>Who knows, maybe Microsoft did this on purpose as a not-so-subtle hint of what&#x27;s to come.
bitmapbrother超过 9 年前
The things Bing will do for market share. I recall they even paid people to use it at one time. I wonder why they still continue to operate in China. They&#x27;ll never be a factor in China, but are more than happy to bend over backwards to serve state sponsored results for their pittance percentage of search engine market share.
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benmarten超过 9 年前
I am trying to understand what the purpose of this blockade is? By the way here is a great talk about how the Great Firewall works <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;media.ccc.de&#x2F;v&#x2F;32c3-7196-how_the_great_firewall_discovers_hidden_circumvention_servers#video&amp;t=3564" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;media.ccc.de&#x2F;v&#x2F;32c3-7196-how_the_great_firewall_disc...</a> by CCC the biggest European Computer Club ;)
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privong超过 9 年前
A more accurate title might be &quot;Bing tries full-on censorship..&quot;. The author of the post notes:<p>&gt; This isn’t happening anymore (as of January 2), but we’ll keep checking to see if any further changes are made.<p>But it&#x27;s worrying that Bing seems to have enacted censorship (maybe they pushed a change to production too early and rolled it back?). Certainly something to keep an eye on.
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Animats超过 9 年前
I wonder if someone at Bing, ordered to do that, deliberately overdid it to make it clear Bing was censoring.
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mtgx超过 9 年前
It&#x27;s not just China:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;analects&#x2F;2014&#x2F;02&#x2F;internet-censorship" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;analects&#x2F;2014&#x2F;02&#x2F;internet-cen...</a><p>I still remember when Google exited China and Microsoft tried to take advantage of that by being an even bigger lapdog than it was before to the Chinese government. Unfortunately for Microsoft, that didn&#x27;t even work in gaining it more market share, so it may have been trying to please its Chinese masters for nothing:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;us-microsoft-china-insight-idUSKBN0UE01Z20160101" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;us-microsoft-china-insight-id...</a><p>Of course, when Google got hacked back in 2010, it was through its own voluntarily setup PRISM-like access point for the NSA, so I guess there are no &quot;innocent&quot; parties here. It&#x27;s still disappointing to see these companies making it easier for governments to control&#x2F;arrest&#x2F;assassinate their citizens through censorship and surveillance. Hopefully history will not look with favor upon these actions (although IBM still seems to be doing pretty well decades later after its Nazi genocide collaboration and Cisco is still making a lot of money after starting to sell surveillance-enabled routers in China and worldwide many years ago).
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oneJob超过 9 年前
Thanks programmers! Wouldn&#x27;t have been possible without you!!
contingencies超过 9 年前
Skeptical. I&#x27;ve been using Bing as my primary search engine for awhile here and haven&#x27;t noticed any changes of late. When I can&#x27;t be bothered running a VPN, it&#x27;s the only foreign-language (ie. English) indexing search engine with reasonable results that is accessible (Duckduckgo and Google are blocked). For all the problems, Chinese internet has its perks though: we have many great, instant media streaming services, pervasive mobile payments and Taobao!
ck2超过 9 年前
If you want to de-index yourself from Chinese spammers, just put &quot;tank man&quot; on your pages.
akerro超过 9 年前
Search engine show what they want you to see. It&#x27;s no longer search results.
kafkaesq超过 9 年前
It&#x27;s the dominate ethic among the big players these days: &quot;If we don&#x27;t bend over and do their dirty work for them, they&#x27;ll just ban us, and find someone who will.&quot;
yyhhsj0521超过 9 年前
Can&#x27;t help laughing upon the &quot;USA&quot; to &quot;About us&quot; :-)
incepted超过 9 年前
All companies doing business in a country have to abide by the laws of that country. What&#x27;s the big deal?<p>If anything, I&#x27;m surprised to learn it wasn&#x27;t already the case.
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