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Does "dead" status on HackerNews means suppression of the freedom of speech?

6 点作者 trtmrt超过 9 年前
Think about it, if news are not good and no one votes they will drop anyway, and after one hour or so no one will vote for them.<p>Censorship by definition is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information.<p>But, if first user who has admin rights decided to mark something as &quot;dead&quot; basically he acts same as people in Stasi Germany, filtering the continent for &quot;greater good&quot;.<p>[Update] Additionally, why is sharing other people things considered ok but sharing your own things consider bad and banned?<p>[Update 2] I would gladly answer but I am getting message I am submitting too fast<p>Example:<p>For instance for the following account [grisanik] everything from that story [10790985], has marked as &quot;dead&quot;, it is distopian&#x2F;utopian story about two futures.<p>https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hacker-news.firebaseio.com&#x2F;v0&#x2F;user&#x2F;grisanik.json?print=pretty<p>Why is that story considered as spam? On that site there is no adverts?<p>Tell me what is considered as on topic I just read the story about gang rape. How is that on topic with Hack news?<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Comment &quot;You are saying HN is not ok to say I made this what do you think about it? and then I made something else what do you think about that?&quot; But it is ok with U1 &quot;Elon Musk ...&quot; U2 &quot;Elon Musk ...&quot; U3 &quot;Elon Musk ...&quot;<p>I know that Elon Musk is awesome I do not to read about him here I can go to his official site.<p>What is that you people make? That is what interest me... But again maybe I am wrong ...

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ctdonath超过 9 年前
Censorship by definition is &quot;the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security&quot;, with the clear understanding that attempting to bypass it by publishing elsewhere will be likewise censored and likely punished.<p>Routine maintaining of order &amp; interest on a private site is NOT censorship; you are welcome to publish your content &amp; links elsewhere, and HN admins (and users flagging objectionable content) will not come after you to erase such publication or punish you for publishing it anyway.<p>Stasi would <i>kill</i> you for persisting in publishing prohibited content. PG et al won&#x27;t.
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DanBC超过 9 年前
(I&#x27;m not a mod or admin, so I&#x27;m not sure about this stuff. Perhaps I&#x27;m wrong.)<p>1) Hacker News has a variety of methods for marking submissions or comments as dead. Not all of these require moderator intervention. Many submissions are marked dead by spam filters. Or they&#x27;re killed by user flags. Some comments are caught in spam filters, or the user has been caught in a hellban. Or sometimes users flag the comment (I think this is marked differently as &quot;flagged&quot; rather than &quot;dead&quot;).<p>2) Users with a small amount of karma can &quot;Vouch&quot; for dead items. This will bring them back to live status, and might trigger the mods to look to see if the account was mistakenly killed.<p>3) Even if the account was correctly hellbanned users could vote to un-kill individual comments. Although abuse of the vouch feature leads to loss of the button.<p>4) Can you point to anything that you think was incorrectly killed? Plenty of stuff which is critical of HN or YCombinator or YCombinator companies is posted and not killed. Mods have said, many times, that they do not intervene in killing those threads.<p>5) YCombinator companies are held to the same community standards as everyone else. A YCombinator company that used sock-puppets to vote up their submissions would get banned.<p>6) Sharing your own things is fine. There&#x27;s even a section of the site dedicated to sharing your stuff: Show HN. And the rules ask people to engage in constructive criticism, and avoid undue negativity. It&#x27;s a problem if the only thing you submit is from your own site. But it&#x27;s a problem if a user only submits from one site even if it&#x27;s not their stuff. Some people take every opportunity to mention their stuff in comments. &quot;Oh hey, just wanted to say my site EXAMPLE.COM does this, try it out, let me know what you think&quot;. Sometimes that&#x27;s okay if it&#x27;s directly relevant to the parent comment. And HN is seems to be reasonably tolerant of it. But you have to be honest (&quot;This is my site&quot; is okay, &quot;hey, have you seen this site?&quot; is less okay) and you have to not over do it.<p>But, like I say, I&#x27;m just a user so maybe I&#x27;ve got this all wrong.
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CarolineW超过 9 年前
In answer to your update:<p><pre><code> [Update] Additionally, why is sharing other people things considered ok but sharing your own things consider bad and banned? </code></pre> In general, it&#x27;s not. Maybe the stuff you&#x27;re submitting is simply not regarded as on-topic for HN.<p>As I&#x27;ve said elsewhere, give us some examples, and we can give you some feedback.
oldmanjay超过 9 年前
I&#x27;m not involved with HN or YC in any way, I&#x27;m just a cranky old man.<p>Your definition of censorship ignores that you have no basic right to publish using facilities you don&#x27;t own.<p>Also, considering we can opt in to seeing the dead items, they aren&#x27;t even censored by your loose definition of the term, they are just inconvenient to access.
krapp超过 9 年前
If you think your submissions are being killed unfairly, there is a contact link at the bottom of the page where you can discuss it with the staff. Be sure to mention your actual account to them and not the one you appear to have created just to make vague complaints.
CarolineW超过 9 年前
Firstly, the faq says not to ask this kind of question here, but to email them. Have you done that?<p>Secondly, many things on HN are automated, the volume of work would be too large otherwise. Consider, you submit item after item, getting no comments and no upvotes. I&#x27;m not surprised an automated system would mark it as probable spam, especially since you&#x27;ve never commented on anything else. You have been behaving just as a spammer would.<p>Which takes me back to the first point: have you asked the mods? Complaining here just makes you look bad.
CarolineW超过 9 年前
It&#x27;s nothing to do with admins - it&#x27;s ordinary users flagging items as not being appropriate for HN. They might even be interesting, it&#x27;s just that some things are not on-topic.<p>For example - spam really doesn&#x27;t belong, and should be flagged. When that happens, the item is killed and is marked as [dead].<p>Do you have any specific item in mind?
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kjs3超过 9 年前
Freedom of speech means you are free to express your opinions. Freedom of speech does <i>not</i> mean a private, third party is obligated to provide you with a forum to express your opinions. You have an almost <i>infinite</i> opportunity to express yourself on the internet; get over yourself.<p>I&#x27;ve been hellbanned apparently, which ever so slightly annoys me considering it was for stuff that &quot;cooler&quot; posters don&#x27;t have an eye batted at, but I don&#x27;t pretend HN owes me anything.
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