He seems to be as completely baffled by the possibilities of virtual reality as the rest of us are. The most interesting thing I mined out of this conversation is Herzog's feeling that life already is a virtual reality. As I now turn my head from left to right and see the tables and objects around this room I suddenly feel the unreality of lived existence. Now I imagine wearing a virtual reality helmet, playing a simulation of a person, who then puts on a virtual reality helmet and proceeds to load up a similar game himself, and so on, ad infinitum, as I fall into a fractal abyss of perception/experience/unreality. I pop the helmet off in a panic and suddenly realize that I'm back in the game, but this time the game's main hardware is my head itself. I'm anxious but excited for what will emerge from the VR and AR revolution.