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Ask HN: Why is Azure so expensive?

69 点作者 tuyguntn超过 9 年前
What is the benefit of using Azure comparing to AWS or Google Cloud? It is so expensive

22 条评论

nextweek2超过 9 年前
Because its aimed at enterprises that have Microsoft OS&#x27;s and applications. Those buyers are used to paying a premium and know they don&#x27;t have to retrain staff.<p>You need to consider that the bulk of developers are actually using the Microsoft platform. For the most part they aren&#x27;t interested in the free software community. Linux VMs are not an option for a lot of corporate tasks.<p>That is of course changing and probably the main driver for Microsoft being more open.
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thomas11超过 9 年前
Azure just recently announced price reductions to be competitive with AWS. The blog post has some interesting links. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;azure.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;blog&#x2F;helping-azure-customers-achieve-more-at-the-best-prices&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;azure.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;blog&#x2F;helping-azure-custome...</a><p>Disclaimer: I work for Microsoft.
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yulaow超过 9 年前
I can just say that Azure and AWS cost more than Google Cloud because Google Cloud has the worst customer support I ever saw.
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tuyguntn超过 9 年前
Comparison (not exactly apples-to-apples):<p>~3-4Gb RAM: Azure (2cores, &gt;100$&#x2F;month), Google (1core, ~25$), AWS (37$, or compute optimized 75$)<p>high memory 13-14Gb: Azure (&gt;246$), Google (~63$), AWS (16Gb, &gt;172$)<p>...<p>UPD: Thanks to tyingq, Azure 3-4Gb RAM (2cores, starting from 70$)
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tyingq超过 9 年前
Is Azure more expensive? I can&#x27;t tell, in any simple way.<p>Is there a place that offers some simple apples-to-apples comparison for typical use cases? All three require complex calculators that account for bandwidth use, ip addresses, etc.<p>Edit: I do see some tools after searching some, but they are all flawed a bit because the three providers don&#x27;t all offer the same thing. Azure&#x27;s 2 core machines start with significantly more RAM than Google or AWS, so it&#x27;s not a great comparison. The tools don&#x27;t make that sort of mismatch easy to see.
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sargun超过 9 年前
I wont talk to the benefits of using Azure versus AWS versus Google Cloud, but Azure&#x27;s sales model is a bit different.<p>If you&#x27;re looking at Azure, and on HN, my guess is you&#x27;re probably a startup, in which case you want to look into Microsoft Bizspark (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.microsoft.com&#x2F;bizspark" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.microsoft.com&#x2F;bizspark</a>). This drastically changes Azure prices. If you&#x27;re a larger company, Azure is all about enterprise sales, and bundling. If you buy multiple Azure services along with Windows, and O365, the Azure part is dirt cheap.
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OrionSeven超过 9 年前
For our use case (fairly standard windows setup, sql server, about 8 VM&#x27;s in total) Azure was less expensive, more so after we setup and saw true costs. We run our dev and test environments there and were able to get faster hardware &amp; more storage for less as well (about 10% less for about 20% more). But again, that&#x27;s a pure windows setup, comparing other components gets tricky because of different pricing models.
cldellow超过 9 年前
We recently explored putting about 25 of our VMs in Azure.<p>For our workloads, Azure is a worse deal. Broadly, we found that compared to EC2 instance types, you paid a slight premium of 20% or so to get 2x the RAM and 100s of gigs of ephemeral SSD storage (vs little or no SSD storage), while taking a perhaps 30% hit in CPU performance.<p>It&#x27;s not terrible, and depending on your workload, might be better than EC2. I&#x27;m personally very partial to Amazon&#x27;s spot instances and t2 family types, neither of which Azure offers.<p>Even so, compute only represents ~25% of our AWS bill. For enterprises who have significant Windows&#x2F;AD investment, Azure might be a no brainer from an ops cost point of view.
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forgottenacc56超过 9 年前
Setting aside the cost which I thought similar for Linux.....<p>If you are running Linux , azure works really well. Give it a try if you can set aside your bias.
forgottenacc56超过 9 年前
This post should be flagged.<p>The OP needs to quantify the statement about azure being expensive or else it will just sound like anti-Microsoft fud.
nassirkhan超过 9 年前
Firstly, the hyperscale providers size their VMs differently, so it is generally not an apples to apples comparison. The best way to compare cloud environment is to consider 3 year cost of ownership, and try to price in various components&#x2F;elements you might use such as big data stores, VLANs, autoscaling, tiered storage etc.<p>It is my opinion that the variance in pricing over the long run is no more (or will be no more) than 5% for these hyperscale providers over the long run. So your decision should be based on the type of applications you are trying to build in the cloud. If you are a microsoft &quot;house&quot;, then it might make more sense to consider AZURE since they make it easier to port diretory services and licenses to their cloud. Likewise if you are a google house.<p>Obviously AWS has a lead in the market with regards to tools and functinalities as they were early to the cloud game, but MS and google are catching up fast. My personal choice of IaaS is google cloud because their interface is very easy to understand, but frm a customer support perspective, AWS and AMAZON are far better. Also, AWS and google frequently provide free credits for a period of time so it would make sense to try those out to see what works best.
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TheSwordsman超过 9 年前
This is a good question. I don&#x27;t know of one.<p>There are some issues I&#x27;ve seen while trying to run systems there. Some of the network configuration there is very strange, and I&#x27;ve seen some crazy performance issues. Their API is very painful to use as well. Lastly, they run an agent on your node that can gain someone root access (worse than Linode&#x27;s ability for someone to do that). Finally, their control panel has a basically unlimited session lifetime. I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;ve had to log in once within the past 60 days.<p>I&#x27;ve found that systems running in Azure reliably perform worse than AWS. Systems in Azure with about the same CPU and RAM have worse performance by anywhere from 2x to 10x. I&#x27;m using this based on seeing things like GC run times in both Go and the JVM. The systems report 0.00% CPU steal, no idea where the bottleneck is.<p>Their network also leaves some to be desired. One of the biggest pain points is that they drop ICMP Echo &#x2F; Echo Reply on the edge of the network. So doing network troubleshooting across the WAN is challenging. Another issue is that they seem to often either drop or de-prioritize UDP packets within their Fresno location. This causes some issues with software that uses UDP for communication. With that are the weird, and confusing, mix-match between NetworkSecurityGroups and Endpoints, with only one of them being configurable in the UI.<p>The last thing is their API and the SDK (at least Ruby). Their API is an XML behemoth with incorrect documentation (e.g., the example URL using a wrong path in the docs), and severe performance problems. There are times where the API takes over a minute to respond to a request, sometimes taking longer to respond with an HTTP 500. Their Ruby SDK, at least, isn&#x27;t so much as an SDK as a library that&#x27;s meant to be consumed via IRB.<p>Lastly, the nodes all run an agent called WALinuxAgent. This allows Azure to take action on your node without your approval. It can also do things like add new users to your node, and give then full sudo access. This is also done without a reboot, so you have no indicator that someone just took this action on your system. Scary!<p>I&#x27;ve also seen this agent get weird responses from the endpoints it talks to causing it to think it should reprovision your node. It proceeds to then rewrite your SSH host keys, vomit an exception, and then exit. It&#x27;s brilliant.<p>Trying to get help from support is impossible. I&#x27;ve had issues with the quality of the responses given, but also issues with them just never responding to open issues. AWS&#x27;s support team should be commended in comparison.
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polskibus超过 9 年前
As far as I understand Microsoft licensing, in normal VPS + Windows solution you would have to pay Windows Server CALs for each user connecting to your web app on that server (even if you dont use windows authentication).<p>In Azure, MS frees you from that CAL charge.<p>I would be grateful if someone could confirm or reject this licensing issue - I heard it once from a MS employee but perhaps he misunderstood the thing about VPS somehow?
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outside1234超过 9 年前
What is more expensive? The pricing seems on par with Amazon.
craigvn超过 9 年前
Is it even relevant? You need to work out how much your hosting costs as a percentage of your overall expenses. In my business it is less than 5% running on Azure. I could convert to AWS and save a bit and it might be 4%, hardly worth the effort. If you have hosting costing &gt; 10% then you have bigger issue, not enough revenue, or terribly inefficient software.
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dotnetchris超过 9 年前
Because it&#x27;s not. Azure and AWS are largely comparable. The only reason to select your cloud provider between Azure and AWS is the feature set you care most about.<p>If you are a .NET shop, Azure absolutely dominates AWS for what it provides.
yuhong超过 9 年前
This reminds me of this article: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;information-technology&#x2F;2015&#x2F;12&#x2F;ballmer-microsofts-cloud-revenue-numbers-are-bullshit&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;information-technology&#x2F;2015&#x2F;12&#x2F;ballme...</a>
TYPE_FASTER超过 9 年前
Microsoft partners get benefits like unlimited Azure support incidents at some partnership levels. They also get consulting hours.
hkmurakami超过 9 年前
My guess is that they are selling to existing MS stack install bases hat are much more price agnostic.
pshyco超过 9 年前
So expensive? Can you please provide some data &#x2F; your usage to back you statement?
aclatuts超过 9 年前
Azure&#x2F;Google is definitely more expensive but that is probably because they don&#x27;t treat their employees like crap. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10065243" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10065243</a>
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hayksaakian超过 9 年前
if you need windows VMs it&#x27;s alright
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